In THe NEWS... Corona

[Gingerbeard]

I agree? I agree with you alltatup. There are folks who are altruistic about their motives, as far as the profit Open source coding. Tesla. The dudes who 3D printed a mask of some sort. Greed is not getting remunerated for your work.
Expression is personal. I prefer interpretive dance on my balcony, with Tibetan bells, while wearing a neon orange thong. Don't judge me or I'll judge you and your shirt.
I can't believe we agree on something.

[RagWeedDWC]

Can not speak of hunting (Short of killing a coyote here and there) I do not hunt per say. However I do fish, and I'm on the water a lot, fishing has changed over the years, fish have moved and patterns have changed due to the climate change (Yes its real).
Lots of folks with new boats on the water, mostly pleasure but a few fishing (Less than 26 foot boats) makes a lot of wonder where the heck these folks are coming from and as stated above it has increased drastically in the last couple of years.

[Gingerbeard]

Civilian Conservation Corps.

[Farmall]

GreenState that makes 2 of us.... in 53 yrs I have never collected unemployment and have worked two jobs to keep thing flowing... frankly, I’d almost like to try a few months off with PAY!!... gettin’ old and tired. Normal retirement should have been a few yrs ago...but me, nope....still busting my ass

[Bowhunterwoody]

That's pretty good news for the states. CT has seen a consistent drop in license sales before this also. They opened the fishing season almost a month early to give people something to do. Turkey season is going strong now and it's been insane at the shop. We've sold more calls and decoys this year then the last four combined.

[SoOrbudgal]

Totally agree with you on that statement alltatup about the pandemic and people in denial. Got some ignorant new next door neighbors who mocked me about social distancing. Their stupidity. Freedom of expression and views be it Rep., Demo, or lib it happened with Clinton, Bushes, Obama and our current Pres. so don't just go there with Trump. I can still remember the physical threats and intimidation used by former Pres. campaigns in the past that were published and they were openly using threatening in your face holding batons.
This pandemic is now being used as a political blame game by both parties. I trust the science of research those who's job is too find out how we treat this virus and slow it down. Certain parties want this economy to fail and be dependent of big govt. to bail them out give them paychecks, keep them in food lines and crush what the USA stood for. We are not a socialist nation and the majority of hard working Americans feel the same way. My immigrant Italian relatives worked for citizenship and hard farming life. Todays false promises of free this and free that by certain Pres. campaigners is ridiculous. They said it and real true patriots didn't by it.

[alltatup]

weedgrower You wrote: "If there was no greed in human nature then we wouldn't have much problems but than without it we wouldn't have progressed as well." I don't believe that greed drives all of technology, but perhaps enough of it to make your statement partially true. The current state of "progress" is precarious at best. With global warming, progress is transforming into mass destruction--of atmosphere, of ocean, of species, of Antartica, etc.

In short, greed will drive us to extinction. I don't think our species is capable of changing enough to save the planet, to recognize the reality of what's happening. Take this pandemic: people have been in complete denial about the virus, and have gone out with their guns to protest the loss of their liberty. If that is not a twisted and pathetic distortion of reality, I'll eat my hat. To go out and protest your right to catch covid 19 is about as irrational as you can get. It's also funny how the pandemic has the racists and anti-Semites crawling out of the woodwork to express their lust for destruction. trump gave them permission to express their real feelings just as he has, so why not?

[GreenState]

Sounds as though you are reading passages from Animal Farm or perhaps The Jungle.

[GreenState]

It is $600/wk in addition to what one collects from the state unemployment (their state) falls under a different program.
The really interesting part is covering the self-employed as well (who never paid into it-again falls under the PUA (I believe it ends in July)

"PUA provides support for workers not traditionally eligible for unemployment benefits (self-employed, independent contractors, workers with limited work history, and others) who are unable to work as a direct result of the coronavirus public health emergency. PUA will provide for lost wages, including an additional $600/week for each week of lost wages
Being self employed I filed a claim 6 weeks ago (don't make the rules, just stay in my lane)and have yet to receive anything and am going back to work next week!
(haven't received the fed $1200 either )

[herbgrower]

The money doesn't need to be "free" essentially, it needs to be accessible. Give people work for money, those who has worked all life make sure they don't have to work for money till they depart.

[herbgrower]

Obi-Wan I like to use "we" when I am trying to make a point that should be not for a group or community but for all. I think using "I" in such cases is very egoistic and using "they" is too detached. And I am exactly saying what you are saying. The different isms has divided us too much. Now at least can we united on one thing that we can't change about us that we all are human and we all deserve equality, dignity and a good life. Man I take coffee with people who would kill me for my thoughts so I am sure we can hang along just fine!

[herbgrower]

Gingerbeard We will be going too far with that man. I would stop at agnosticism.

[GreenState]

Bowhunterwoody Interesting. https://vtdigger.org/2020/05/02/fish...cache=friendly

"Resident fishing license sales are up by more than 50% over this time last year, and combination hunting and fishing license sales have increased by almost a quarter — a reversal in yearslong trends. "

[herbgrower]

SoOrbudgal Well I don't know how you make up the socialism but it has very less to do with giving free things and more to do with taking care of a populous as a whole society. The economics and politics are very easy to neglect but the philosophical side which very few mention is very important. Of course the one who works hard should have the privileges but that doesn't justify the habit of "buy in" everything. I mean there are people struggling to put some food in their stomach and they themselves help produce crop for others but they can't buy it for themselves. I am talking from a nation where 60% of population is directly or indirectly are dependent on farming. I am not asking to take anyone's money away. I am only asking that those who don't even have essentials should get it over some few who has exponential and taking a slack of it won't make much difference. For example (not a literal one) If a billionaire has 5 Billion, I take 1 Billion out of it than he is still going to remain a billionaire but at least one million people could be fetched out of poverty with that 1 Billion. Working class has nothing to do with it. This is between ultra rich, rich and poor. Working class needs to be elevated to the next class. Ideally everybody should be working class. That I can say is the final milestone of socialism if I am a leader.

[herbgrower]

alltatup If there was no greed in human nature then we wouldn't have much problems but than without it we wouldn't have progressed as well. So yeah I think it is the collective human conscience that shapes human behavior. And as far as the policies are concerned what i think socialism is and could be is just the right balance of capitalism and communism. The game of give and take is going on from many centuries. Thomas Hobbes's theory of social contract is pretty much reflection of it. I do not remember the research by name and institute but it derived that people are becoming less and less empathetic than they used to be 50 years ago.