You know what i hate?

[Gingerbeard]

Of course dirtymike Banning leaded gas. Cutting down on coal emissions. Having other countries produce goods for us so we don't pollute ourselves. I mean, how much rice did the US not have to produce to feed the young man or woman to be able to work the long hours needed to produce the metric ton batch my shirt came from, and how much pollution was emitted to run the equipment? Farm production, especially rice, sucks up 30% of the world's fresh water drinking supply and produces 10% of the world's methane. That would absolutely destroy us, Mikey! It's those people, man. The people working for us. Not the US who's fucking things up. We're trying to let the world make an honest living and feed itself. GBA!!! AFY!!!
Yep, I'm bored. Bored and stoned. Stored and boned. I'm going to read this tomorrow and see if it still makes sense or if it is culturally insensitive.

[dirtymike]

Fact check says the US environment is better now than 1970. I guess that's why everyone south of us is headed this way. Damn sure ain't the welcome party.

[Bluey]

I think we can sum up the increase in 'natural disasters pretty simply. Human induced climate change.

[Gingerbeard]

We're not sure which are natural events. Our fires are mostly started by powerlines and arsonists. Mostly powerlines. A video of one of our recent fires in LA shows the base of a power tower fully engulfed with nothing else around it on fire. I have suspicions about that.
The public fallout when fires are blamed on the electric company borders on civil war by people who say they pay too much in the first place while the infrastructure is falling apart. In the meantime, Sempra Energy is Fortune 500. American Greed did a show after one of our big fires. The solution will be a pyrrhic victory.
Insurance companies won't insure fire in much of California. Maybe all of California. I so fucking hate this state.

[Gingerbeard]

This wraps things up pretty neatly. Bad for people if not used properly. Does the job for odors on a molecular level, not just removing particulates.
Are small ass skunks less stinky than big ass skunks? That's a cityboy question. I can tell you how fast an armadillo runs, but I can't answer skunk questions.

https://www.randrmagonline.com/articles/86744-ozone-101-using-oxygen-molecules-for-odor-removal

[changeofpace2014]

From what I think I understand is O3 reacts on a molecular level neutralizing the offending particle either in air or water.

I can say this, if a big ass skunk spays outside your window even when closed your whole house is going to be really really bad. A Ozone generator would neutralize that tear gas very quick where as a carbon filter would take much longer to move all the volume of air through the filer.

[dirtymike]

I seen where parts of San Diego had wildfires starting. That can be one dry state at times then the wettest next month. There aren't many places left that don't have natural destructive events.

[Gingerbeard]

From the east stairs, hidden in the smoke is the mountain that is on fire.

[Gingerbeard]

It will be curious to see what happens this year. People are still recovering from last year's homeless people making, once-in-a-long time flooding.
We are stupid in such a way that although we know where floods will happen, we build in those areas and get pissed off when someone doesn't stop it from happening and we get pissed off when someone won't offer us flood insurance and we get pissed off when someone doesn't come give us a free place to live until they fix our stuff.

[dirtymike]

And the mud slides of spring haven't started yet.

[Gingerbeard]

I hate wildfires. Been real close to a couple large fires. This new one in San Diego is giving me the piddles as I can see it from my apartment complex. Still, though, 13 miles away. Smoke from that one is mixing with the smoke from the others in LA. Makes for a real doomsday sunrise.
Just down the hill from the fire is a juvenile detention facility, adult detention facility, wastewater treatment plant, and shipping warehouses.
Can't wait to see what happens if they have to evacuate two correctional facilities. Can't wait to see what happens if that WTP goes offline.

[Gingerbeard]

All good changeofpace2014.
What I got from what I read was basically those things are not all they are purported to be. One article says they filter particles from the air and not all odors are particulate. It sounds like people are saying the smell of ozone is [fresh and clean]. Smelling nothing is what I call fresh and clean. I see the filters as maybe getting rid of a one-off odor like smoke. But I don't see that it would remove the smell of something like weed that is always producing an odor unless the filter was between your nose and the plant.
My place is small, my tent close. The older I get, the less bullet proof and more skeptical I am. Just a hint of something not being healthy turns me off.
Just conversing, CoP. Conversing and learning. Obviously, ozone generators are a thing, or we wouldn't be having this conversation, and I would be accusing you of witchcraft and snake oilery.
We're just talking odor, here. Not the sciences and antibiological benefits and all that.

[changeofpace2014]

Sorry GB - I was not implying that growweedeasy had bad information on Ozone generators and there use, rather what ever url you read up on the topic was most likely environmentally biased to the use of O3.

There are a lot of growers using ozone generators properly and do not have any problems or inverse effects on there health. They only use electricity to generate O3 and the by product is plain O2, but I agree if they are producing an excessive amount of O3 it would be bad for a lot of things including ones health, mind you most people move out of an area if the fumes from what ever is bothering them.

Just saying

[PRIMO]

You might also wait for the next rural flood event,go downstream look around, find some half full one's floating about. then you have your own.

[PRIMO]

@ mollisol Not for nuthin, but commercial plates give you certain rights, one of which is to be an annoying asshole.