Hash talk

[Gator]

I use trim and popcorn buds, like anything that is too small to trim comfortably,I keep it in a paper bag and let it dry out completely,then it goes in the freezer, also, when I start to get going,I fill the bucket about half way and add a half bag of ice and let it sit for a bit to get good and cold, you want your material to be as dry as you can get it and you want your water to be as cold as you can possibly get it, work the material slowly with the drill and paddle, also, work the material a few times and your going to get a nice puck when you're done

[Gator]

My first time making hash,we used 11 ozs of trim and popcorn buds and I got a puck that was 1.3 ozs when we were done, we worked that batch twice

[Bluey]

I'm going to fridge my material before each run. Do you add ice at each filter point..eg, after you pull a bag you add new ice to the bucket? Obviously the cold water will stay in the bucket after removing the 220 micron bag but the ice leaves with the shit you'll throw away.

[Gingerbeard]

Umm... no. I think.
Ice goes with plant material, not sift. Every time you agitate the plant material, you need ice. You do not use ice when you are pouring off buckets into smaller screens.
Just keep the water nice and cold. Did you ever put water bottles in the freezer just until they started forming ice on the sides? That's nice and cold. Refreshing, too!
Interesting idea about refrigerated weed versus frozen weed.
What I said about not freezing weed because someone mentioned something and I saw a video. Those are the people who are famous for the purity of their hash and kief. The hash and kief you see pictures of. Figure freezing is popular enough that I might be the only person suggesting freezing is not the best way to go.

[Bluey]

I can see freezing would make it more brittle I guess. The first bag should catch 99% of that but. It probably doesn't make a lot of difference because as soon as you add really cold water it's going to unfreeze anyway.

So ice only on the first mix then pour into second bucket with all the bags, or just one bag and lift then into another bucket with next smallest bag and so on.

Scrape off wet trichomes of the bag, let dry and sift through screen.

I guess that sums it up.

[Gator]

I'm not an expert at all, I'm just trying to share my observations from what I know so far

[Gingerbeard]

One at a time is easier to work with.
Wash with ice and water in the 220 bag. Remove and squeeze the bag and set it aside for a second wash.
Pour the juice in the next smaller bag. Wash and scrape the smaller bag. Repeat pouring the juice in the next smaller bag. The bags are in the buckets, obviously.

[Smallgrow]

Don’t know how I missed this chat so far but here’s my 2 cents.

ice water hash thats properly made is absolutely the best full spectrum product you can get. I think you should find some of my previous posts about my process if you look back.
or
You can look through he masters site where he has links to video and written instructions and explanations why. I recommend you read the “lost art of the Hashishin” series in the article section linked below.

It is defiantly some work but I think it’s worth it, and no nasty solvents.
Please don’t grind or shred the biomass before, this does break up the resin heads which means they won’t separate properly. Also true for dry sift.
Freezing is fine but don’t break it up. Fresh frozen is the best. The warm pressing and decarb is a key part of making it into what it can be.
Once it’s dried properly and pressed, wrap it in natural cellophane and stored in a good spot it will last for many years. As it ages good things happen as the compounds continue to change.
I’d like a fancy set of bags , but I’ve just used the full mesh(thats important) bubblebag dude 8 bag set. I also bought the washer and it does make it a bit easier but it’s totally fine to do it by hand the secret is to be gentle as you don’t want to break up the biomass just separate the resin heads.

I settled on using 160 then 45 as my main collection bag after trying many combinations. Less bags is easier but lots of people use something before the 160 and after 45 as you could get something decent from 160 and say a 25 but I never do so I’ve stopped, as it’s just slower and more cleaning.
Plenty think the 73 is the magic number and it’s good but I prefer the full spectrum (and more yield) of the 160-45.

[Smallgrow]

On another reading of Frenchys instruction it would appear he does not recommend freezing fresh material as it will cause the water to expand, damaging the resin heads and adding chlorophyll to the process.
So fresh yes , fresh frozen not so much. Fully dried and cured 3 months is most common

[Gingerbeard]

Mostly.
The ubiquitous household refrigerator/freezer combo is not good for freezing weed or anything plant. Flash freezing does not burst plant cells and damage trichomes like your Frigidaire. That's how you get the live resins, rosins, and other 'live' concentrates.
There's also freeze drying. But that's just speeded up drying, no curing.

[Smallgrow]

Yes, that’s correct on both.
Apparently the freeze dryers are good for drying hash before pressing into temple balls, but I ain’t that fancy

[Smallgrow]

[Gingerbeard]

Seems a few more folk are reading this. So, I'll bring it up again.
What are thoughts about making an alcohol tincture/extract with kief instead of whole plant? Basically, melting trichomes in alcohol instead of a whole plant wash.
And further thoughts about dewaxing if not just filtering the tincture and evaporating the alcohol? Basically, making (dewaxed) RSO with kief.

[Gingerbeard]

Got curious about this machine. I'll never own one but it got me thinking about oil distillation.
This machine gets up to 107°F which is fine for ethanol extraction but not enough for short path or fractional distillation which I believe is in the 400°+ range, gathered from a video, or two.
The idea of capturing the vapor from what is nothing more than an oversize lid is brilliant in its ghettoness. I mean, it doesn't even have a chiller! And you don't need to run a gallon at a time.
Who is the person with the big brain, shop, and capital to build me one of these machines with variable temperature up to, say, 500°?
Source Turbo Botanical Concentrate Extractor – ExtractCraft Store

[Bluey]

Use a lab heat mat. You can get them that even swirls the solution. I have no idea what they are called but they are brilliant. Precise temp control, not ghetto cheap though.

https://us.ohaus.com/en-us/products/equipment/hotplates-stirrers

[Gator]

Don't talk about it, be about it lol the devil's tongue is starting to darken up

[Gator]

Ribbon candy

[Gator]

Ohh, this is going to be fun, can't decide what one is going to be sacrificed

[Gingerbeard]

Sacrifice which virgin? Which child? Which goat? This is a big decision, man! What are we sacrificing???

[Gingerbeard]

The nutshell version.
An embarrassingly relative small amount of ice water kief from 80ish grams of an entire plant soaking in however much alcohol is in that green jar. It was eventually divided into another container the same size to up the amount of ETOH to better fill the funnel. Both containers were put in the freezer to get down to my personal best 0° for about an hour. That low is not going to do me any favors.
Both jars got poured into the funnel and sucked through using a vacuum pump I have for another vacuuming purpose.
The residual dried into fluffy nothingness. Couldn't get it to stick together. The filters were not made in the same country as the funnel, so the fit is not quite right. There was a little leakage. The white spot on the filter was where the filter didn't quite fit, but I had the forethought to double-up and caught nigh on what all leaked.
The resulting tar smells great and tastes like boo-boo. Probably the wax I couldn't freeze out is the taste. But the high is super interesting. I've never full on 'shroomed or dropped acid but I imagine the high from my washed kief is like being on a hallucinogen without the hallucinations.
I bloody well hate everything about making IW hash to the point of not smoking what I make. But this kief washing is something to consider if I want to full pull away from my current method of resin making.

[Gingerbeard]

Photos are in the next post. This post was getting lengthy. I do so hate a lengthy post, don't you?

[Bluey]

You got to have pics.

Just think Playboy. No pics, no sales. Barber shops the world over go broke.

Length is important!

[Gingerbeard]

Remember that time you were at the barber and the barber asked what hair style you wanted, and you pointed at the picture in the Playboy? Man, that was confusing!