Calling for volunteers for a leaf-cooking and consuming experiment.

[Madman960]

Glad you found it helpful.

[alltatup]

Excellent article, MadMan!!! I added it to my medical cannabis folder. Very, very helpful.

[Madman960]

This is from Vape Nation:
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Vape Temps

Cannabis' active components turn to vapor starting at 220°F. The ideal temperature for vaporization is about personal preference and targeting specific effects from different cannabinoids. Cannabis Temperatures & Effects

Below is a list of specific boiling points of major cannabinoids found in marijuana. THC is only one important ingredient in the mix, so if you only know about THC and CBD, give this chart a read:

View in celsius or fahrenheit

• THC-A
  
  220°F
  Strong sedative, anti-convulsant
• CBD-A
  
  248°F
  Anti-inflammatory and anti-tumor
• α-Pinene
  
  311°F
  Anti-inflammatory, treatment of asthma
• THC
  
  315°F
  Psychoactive, treats tumors, nausea, ADHD and pain
• ß-Caryophyllene
  
  320°F
  Anti-septic, -bacterial, -fungal and -inflammatory, treats tumors
• ß-Myrcene
  
  334°F
  Anti-tumor, anti-inflammatory, allows faster THC uptake
• D-Limonene
  
  349°F
  Treats gastric reflux, depression and anxiety, immunostimulant
• CBD
  
  356°F
  Non-psychoactive, effectively treats MS and Epilepsy seizures
• CBN
  
  365°F
  Non-psychoactive, calms, treats inflammation, tumors, insomnia, spasms
• Linalool
  
  388°F
  Ancient sleep aid, treats psychosis, anxiety, pain; an organic insecticide
• Humulene
  
  388°F
  Anti-tumor, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory, suppresses appetite
• CBC
  
  428°F
  Non-psychoactive, treats anxiety, stress, inflammation, viruses
• Combustion
  
  451°F
  Fire releases toxic chemical by-products (smoke) into the air

So What’s The Best Temperature for a Vaporizer?


Vape temp chart

The ideal temperature for a vaporizer is about personal preference and medical needs. So yeah, I can't tell you the perfect temp to vape, because there isn't one, but I can tell you which vape to buy so you can start experimenting with precise control over temperature and effects. Temperature as a Tool

Use the chart above to reference which effects you are seeking. Experiment by starting at a lower temperature and slowly move higher up the temp spectrum and observe your physical and mental states, pay attention to your body.

Vaporizing lets you relax and focus on the process of feeling the effects build up. Smoking is harsh and tends to hit you right away. Vaporizing, on the other hand, is a little more subtle to start off and builds over time. There is more of a curve from normal to high than a rocket straight up in the air. Now inhaling a full bag from the Volcano will bring about effects right away, but the full effects aren't present until a few minutes or more.

The point of all this is to try and focus our attention on the changes, to become more aware of the subtle medical properties of cannabis when we have more control over the temperatures we have more control over the effects. Smoke vs Vapor

The boiling point of THC is 315°F, but active vapors start forming nearly 100° before that. When temperatures reach combustion (451°F) tars and other undesirable compounds such as benzene and dioxins are released (see the full list of 111 chemicals found in smoke) into the air. When ignited, temperatures soar to 600°F or higher.

Want to dive deeper? Learn more about cannabinoids and their effects on the body.

Madman

[Madman960]

@ATU, I found this on Leafly and thought you might enjoy it. A bit long but worth the read.

Many cannabis consumers think that customizing their cannabis buzz is limited to the strains they have on their shelves, but temperature is an equally important factor.

Think of temperature control as the key to unlocking whatever effects a strain can offer. A strain that’s high in CBD(non-psychoactive, relaxing, anti-epileptic), for example, must be heated to the compound’s boiling point of 356°F if you’re to reap its benefits. Likewise, the relaxing terpene linalool isn’t unleashed until you hit 388°F. Temperature can also determine a strain’s intensity: higher temperatures typically exaggerate effects while lower temperatures offer a more gentle, mellow experience.

This type of customization isn’t possible through smoking. When you bring a lighter to your bowl, you’re combusting the plant material which creates smoke, carbon dioxide, and other harmful byproducts. The temperature is hot enough to activate the THC and other compounds, but this “sledgehammer approach” isn’t terribly efficient, as temperatures that high can also destroy volatile but pertinent cannabinoids and terpenes.

Knowing that cannabis has a variety of precious constituents with different boiling points, I wanted to see how temperature affected the overall experience felt by different strains. Lining up a row of strain jars like test tubes, I turned on my trusty Herbalizerand began playing mad scientist.

Low Temperatures for Clear-Headed, Functional Effects


310°F to 330°F
Recommended for: mild euphoria, focus, productivity, subtle relaxation

There’s a time and place to be stoned off your rocker, but sometimes all you need is the slightest kick from your cannabis. For days when you need uplifting relief to carry you through chores and tasks, low-temp vaping is the key to a functional, productive buzz.

I loaded my Headband concentrate and set my vaporizer to 320°F in order to release three key constituents: the uplifting, focus-feeding terpene pinene; the pepper-flavored anti-inflammatory terpene caryophyllene; and of course, the psychoactive commander in chief, THC. Despite high levels of THC, vaporizing at this temperature didn’t make me feel stoned in the slightest. Instead, I was left feeling acutely alert and in complete control of my faculties. The taste was a subtle mix of herbs and pine, but certainly lacked the loud flavors found at higher temperatures.

Turning the heat up to 330°F, the high became slightly more intense but tasks and concentration were still completely manageable. The 290-330°F range seems the perfect fit for those who wish to stay productive and functional, cannabis novices and newbies, and/or anyone sensitive to THC’s side effects (dizziness, paranoia, dry eyes/mouth, lethargy, etc.).





Moderate Temperatures for a Balanced Buzz


330°F to 370°F
Recommended for: moderate euphoria, enhanced sensory awareness, mood elevation, functional relaxation

As you increase the heat, more THC is volatilized and your high becomes more intense. This middle range — 330°F to 370°F – gives rise to more euphoric effects that help elevate the mood, stimulate giggles, and kick start the appetite. It’s more functional than when you push past the 370°F mark, but you will most definitely start to feel the stone that lower temperatures spared you.

Historically, 365°F has been the sweet spot for me (I’ll never forget because the first time I vaporized, my friend read the machine’s clock-like screen and thought it was 3:65PM). I’ve always loved the combination of tamed euphoria coupled with the subtle relaxation and focus found at this temperature. I turned my Herbalizer up to 365°F and dished out more of the Headband wax. The vapor felt fuller than it did at 330°F, and the flavor was perfectly fruity with the aftertaste of sweet vanilla licorice. Its effects were distinctly different from the low-temp experience: my thoughts went from a sloppy sprint to a relaxed walking pace, allowing me to unwind and focus.

Whether you’re kicking back with a book, exercising, socializing, cleaning, or playing video games, these moderate temperatures provide most of the cannabinoids and terpenes you want without fully volatilizing the THC – I know many people who would want as much THC as possible, but for others it’s about achieving a careful balance of clear-headedness and blissful elevation.





High Temperatures for Intense Euphoria and Relaxation


370°F to 430°F
Recommended for: intense euphoria, sleep, heavy relaxation, meditation

For ultimate THC decarboxylation mode, turn your vaporizer above 370°F. At these high temperatures, you get terpenes like linalool (calming, anxiety relief) and cannabinoids like THCV(energizing, appetite suppressant), but keep in mind that they’re approaching combustion territory. You may even notice the vapor become smokier and harsher on the lungs.

Durban Poison is a South African sativa known for its elevated levels of THCV, a highly psychoactive cannabinoid known to weaken appetite (yes, weaken). I coincidentally had this strain in my collection last week, so I decided to cook it at 430°F to see if I felt more “energized” than I would at a lower temperature.



For me, the answer was a definitive yes. I finished inhaling the bag of Durban Poison fumes (a little bit went a long way) and shared it with my roommate when I realized how high I became after just a few hits. I passed the kitchen on my way out, and caught a glance of those old-fashioned chocolate glazed donuts – the kind you’d normally eat like popcorn after getting stoned. Call it a THCV placebo or miracle, but those seductive delicacies had no power over me (until later, but that’s irrelevant).

Vaporizing the indica Skywalker at a high temperature – 390°F to be specific – was an entirely different story. Your muscles melt, eyelids get heavy, and thoughts become shrouded in a pleasant mental mist that makes it easy to fall into a calm, meditative state. I can’t say for certain whether it’s the linalool gained at 388°F or the more fully volatilized THC, but this strain was detectably heavier at higher temperatures and decidedly more sedating than the Durban Poison when vaporized at the same temperature. That bring us to the final and most obvious consideration when attempting to customize an experience: the strain.





Differences Between Cannabis Strains


The above temperature tiers don’t so much “create” effects – they modify them, so keep in mind that the limits of your customization are set by whatever strain you’re working with.

Take Durban Poison and Skywalker as an example. A racy, upbeat sativa versus a heavy, pacifying indica. Durban Poison will always have that high-energy cerebral effect profile and Skywalker is destined to be a calming sedative (in most people’s opinions). Temperature is basically the volume knob: turn it up for intensity, and turn it down for subtlety.

But, in summary, don’t forget that with increases in temperatures, you can uncork more essential compounds. However, go too hot and you may be destroying some of those delicate cannabinoids and terpenes. Everyone has their own preference, and it’s up to you to find your own favorite temperature, but knowing exactly what is vaporizing at those temperatures may help.

[Madman960]

This is my 1st grow so I know to keep my leaves at least in flowering stage. Not sure if fan leaves from veg would have the same effect.

Vaping must decarb in some fashion. There are loads of ABV recipes for tinctures and oils. Already Been Vaped=ABV. Just no idea if it's a full decarb or partial. Makes me wonder if there's an at home test to determine full decarb or partial. I figure more studies need to be done to find out for certain.

[alltatup]

Madman, now you know to store the leaves in the freezer! I'm really glad to hear that you had a pain-free day. Another thing I want to try after I harvest is the same thing with buds: gently simmer some cut up bud and eat it. I think that we can safely assume that it doesn't need be be cured to be good this way.

My vaporizer's usually set at around 410 F. This is a really good question: when the good stuff vaporizes, is it instantaneously decarbed?

Additional information: decarbing takes place at a much lower temp than boiling (vaporizing) point.

[Madman960]

I would have to agree that the whole plant packs a punch.

I don't know the heat setting on a vape product. I mention that because of the 5 to 10 seconds to heat the flower. Makes me wonder if it's a full decarb or partial. I don't know how to check.

Thanks for posting this thread alltatup. I had a pain free day after eating the fan leaves the other day. 8 or 9 hours pain free. The only other thing that I use to relieve pain is alcohol. Eating the wilted leaves was my 1st experience with cannabis that worked. I smoked a few times with my best friend a few years ago when I 1st got out of the Marine Corps. I felt nothing. The only 2 downsides were I had to focus on keeping my left leg from wobbling when I walked and yesterday the pain came back and felt more intense after having a day off. I don't have enough leaves to eat everyday. So I am very pleased with the results.

[alltatup]

Madman960 Exactly! I hadn't even thought of that; very good point. I'm really beginning to think that 1. Whole cannabis is whole medicine, and 2. It just doesn't take that much heat to decarb the plant matter.

More experiments are forthcoming: I pulled out my decarb machine, and I'm going to put some of the leaves in it, but instead of letting it run the entire hour or so, I'm going to turn it off after 20 minutes and see how the leaves are. I'll add a little oil of some sort and eat them.

[Madman960]

ATU, I was wondering the same about decarb times. It's my understanding that vaping decarbs the flower. Vaping taking what 5 to 10 seconds?

[Californiakid]

I may not float like others, but I am continuing to eat raw and cooked cannabis. I forgot how much I enjoy it cooked. Thanks ATU for the nudge back in the right direction. Lol

[alltatup]

That looks delicious!

[alltatup]

I want to thank everyone who volunteered for this experiment.

It was interesting to learn that some folks don't get high off of edibles at all.

My next project is to decarb some leaves in my Nova, mix with some oil and put into capsules which I'll store in the freezer.

[alltatup]

St.buds I also find the taste kind of hard to handle, so I hold my nose while I'm eating my greens. It's just too perfumey.

[alltatup]

It IS!!! I feel there are so many possibilities, and it really has me thinking about the entire decarb question: how much heat is really necessary to activate the good stuff? It sure doesn't take much heat at all for the leaves to create a good, strong high. facs_grow wins the prize for the best high!!!!

[oldjarhead100]

heres the omelet I sauteed it first in butter not bad about a hour after I smoked a doobee and was set for the morning didn't go looking for anything else .