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Why so small?
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SoOrbudgal
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i drip water on top of the seed head to loosen it from leaf
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The GSC sprouted Jan 19
the BB sprouted Jan 21
The initial gg4 failed but the one planted on the 24th sprouted on the 26th.
You think i should give the GSC and BB another week before planting the basket in the hot soil or should i do it sooner. I don't want to go longer than 2.5 weeks. They'll need some hot soil soon enough. When i separate the cups i can see nice root growth.
the BB sprouted Jan 21
The initial gg4 failed but the one planted on the 24th sprouted on the 26th.
You think i should give the GSC and BB another week before planting the basket in the hot soil or should i do it sooner. I don't want to go longer than 2.5 weeks. They'll need some hot soil soon enough. When i separate the cups i can see nice root growth.
ZigZag
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If I’m using 16oz. cups I wait until the seedling/young plant has developed enough that the leaves reach out to the edges of the cups or a little more. I start with 1/8 strength nutrients in the cups and then go up to 1/2 strength in the pots. Then increase nutes as needed. I also use a weak rooting solution in the cups and then full strength in the pots. Willow tea has worked well for me. The grow I’m about 6 weeks into is one of the strangest ever. Especially the four Zkittlez - each plant is substantially different. The blackberry kush are more the same but weirdly the topped plant is the tallest of those, two are more normal for a kush and the last is really small. Same genetics don’t necessarily mean the plants will look the same.
No3odiesShad0w
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I don't do liquid nutes. I just mix stuff like fish bone meal, bat guano, worm castings etc. It's what i do in my garden and i get giant vegetables and fruits. I just don't want to stick them into hot soil and get them stunted which is what happened with the bigger ones... The soil was too hot and they just didn't grow anywhere.
By Saturday most likely the leaves you're going to be on the outside of the 16 oz cup that I have so yeah I'll take your advice and I'll just wait till Saturday or Sunday and then I'll plant it into the hot soil. I already got it ready and waiting.
And yeah I agree if it's from a seed it could be the same strain but the plant will grow differently. The only way you'll have the same growth and know what to expect is when you take a clone. That's why I had this Girl Scout cookies It was the smallest one here and now it might be bigger or as big as the gorilla glue So if it hadn't been stunted it would have been huge Just judging by how it grew in a week.
By Saturday most likely the leaves you're going to be on the outside of the 16 oz cup that I have so yeah I'll take your advice and I'll just wait till Saturday or Sunday and then I'll plant it into the hot soil. I already got it ready and waiting.
And yeah I agree if it's from a seed it could be the same strain but the plant will grow differently. The only way you'll have the same growth and know what to expect is when you take a clone. That's why I had this Girl Scout cookies It was the smallest one here and now it might be bigger or as big as the gorilla glue So if it hadn't been stunted it would have been huge Just judging by how it grew in a week.
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Already got my soil prepped. Today I'm going to give it some water and check ph and let it sit in a warm spot to get the microbes going from the hot soil.
Soil composition
Fox farm happy frog 25% perlite
2 teaspoon prilled dolomite lime
6oz of black super hot soil
Half cup spent mushroom substrate
It's definitely nutrient rich soil which is definitely why I think these last ones got stunted. Just too hot for young plants... And also like first experience with autoflowers I never grew them before..... So hooray for learning curves 😂
Soil composition
Fox farm happy frog 25% perlite
2 teaspoon prilled dolomite lime
6oz of black super hot soil
Half cup spent mushroom substrate
It's definitely nutrient rich soil which is definitely why I think these last ones got stunted. Just too hot for young plants... And also like first experience with autoflowers I never grew them before..... So hooray for learning curves 😂
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SoOrbudgal
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Take your time with transplanting those 2 like ZigZag says i wait also for nearly root bound in my 16oz cups them photos will be fine in there for another week.
ZigZag
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Yeah, I like them to have really well developed root structure before transplant and then they really take off in a few days. It’s like part time with the much larger home. I like to water them a little the day before so the growing medium is damp but not wet. Then everything stays together, pretty much in the shape of the cup. What I’ve found that works well for me is I cut down two opposite sides of each cup, top to bottom, lay the cup sideways in my hand with one side facing down, then peal the top half off, roll it over and the cup shaped root wad is just laying in my hand which then keeps it shape as it’s eased into its new home.
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That method seems to keep more of the soil and roots together in the shape of the cup, which is good because the root structure isn’t disturbed. They seem to recover that way much faster, usually with no evidence of any type of transplant shock. I’d like to grow in soil because it seems once you have the mix down it takes a lot less work- don’t have to mix nutrients all the time or make as many PH adjustments but a coco based medium is what my grow area can handle now.
The issue with the spots on the BB is difficult to diagnose, being so young. It doesn’t seem to be nutrient burn, more like a deficiency, maybe a ph issue. If the next set of leaves start to do the same then you’ll probably need to flush the cup with ph water and see what happens. When I’ve found myself in the same situation I make sure the drain holes are large enough to drain quickly because I don’t want any standing water in the cup, too wet for the seedling. When I have a growing issue I always start with a good flush and then add 1/2 strength nutrients and get ph for in and out until it’s in the right zone. But that might be easier in coco since it drains so well. Hope all goes well!
The issue with the spots on the BB is difficult to diagnose, being so young. It doesn’t seem to be nutrient burn, more like a deficiency, maybe a ph issue. If the next set of leaves start to do the same then you’ll probably need to flush the cup with ph water and see what happens. When I’ve found myself in the same situation I make sure the drain holes are large enough to drain quickly because I don’t want any standing water in the cup, too wet for the seedling. When I have a growing issue I always start with a good flush and then add 1/2 strength nutrients and get ph for in and out until it’s in the right zone. But that might be easier in coco since it drains so well. Hope all goes well!
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Oh for sure. I'm not worried at all about them getting root bound. I'm just trying to time it right. Not too young but not too old where they only have like a week before blooming. I want them to have a chance to get some roots into the hot soil. The ones blooming currently started blooming exactly 1 month. Sprouted 19th started bloom 19th. So I'm anticipating a similar time table for these babies.
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What you don't see is the giant hole at the bottom of the cup so that the main taproot can continue growing down signaling to the rest of the roots. Also with autos i heard somewhere it's better to have a ball root? Whatever that means..... My guess have dense roots in the center? IDK. But rest assured i made plenty big holes in the cup underneath for the roots to find their way out.
I didn't water the BB today. I'm going to let it dry a bit over night and tomorrow I'll give it some 6.7 water. It's unadultered happy frog the soil ph is probably around 5. That's why to the mixture i add dolomite lime. Takes care of that issue nicely. Usually around 6.2 with this recipe. I'm happy with that. It should perk up just fine. Maybe a literal drop off watered down molasses for those sugars for the roots.
I agree with the flush. In the past i was a bit too light handed at times and paid for it with crap yields. Sometimes you have to be heavy handed, nip the problem in the butt and let the plants do their things. Especially with autos when there's a time crunch. I think i like photo period more. These autos are stressful. But thanks for all the help. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to give great adviceðŸ‘
I didn't water the BB today. I'm going to let it dry a bit over night and tomorrow I'll give it some 6.7 water. It's unadultered happy frog the soil ph is probably around 5. That's why to the mixture i add dolomite lime. Takes care of that issue nicely. Usually around 6.2 with this recipe. I'm happy with that. It should perk up just fine. Maybe a literal drop off watered down molasses for those sugars for the roots.
I agree with the flush. In the past i was a bit too light handed at times and paid for it with crap yields. Sometimes you have to be heavy handed, nip the problem in the butt and let the plants do their things. Especially with autos when there's a time crunch. I think i like photo period more. These autos are stressful. But thanks for all the help. I greatly appreciate you taking the time to give great adviceðŸ‘
No3odiesShad0w
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That's why I'm going to have a buffer zone and more mature plants going in. These girls are 2 weeks old. Because planting them directly into the large container didn't go as i expected even though i did use unadultered soil in the center. I think these will be more of a success.
3Berries
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When I'm ready to transplant from 16 0z cups to the final 3.5 gal, the big pot already has the media mixed and wetted and rested for a week. I put empty cup in the center to form a void. Then when transplant time comes, the sides of the void and plant roots get some dusting of the powders and they slip in and barely noticing.
You really have to watch that the big pot doesn't get too wet until the plant can use it all. The initial watering is just to run off for pH but that gets reintroduced and then the pot sits for a week or so before the transplant. And too bright of lights will stunt them when they are really young.
You really have to watch that the big pot doesn't get too wet until the plant can use it all. The initial watering is just to run off for pH but that gets reintroduced and then the pot sits for a week or so before the transplant. And too bright of lights will stunt them when they are really young.