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Why so small?

No3odiesShad0w

No3odiesShad0w

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Girl Scout Cookies, Bruce Banner and gorilla glue 4
All 3 are autoflower planted on Dec 17 and all 3 sprouted by December 19. It's about to be a month now and the GSC is tiny. The Bruce Banner isn't that much bigger the gorilla glue looks fine for it's age.
I started some LST on the GG4 and BB the GSC is just too small at this point to do anything yet.
I watered them 2 times since Dec 17 with some spraying in between to moisten the top. Water going in is 6.5. Runoff is 6.3.
Soil mixture Fox farm happy frog in 2.35 gallon buckets
Added organic Super Soil 3.2oz per gallon
30% perlite
Dolomite lime 1tsp per gallon

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Only FF H F mixed 50/50 with perlite for drainage and because i know autos don't like hot soil.

The leaves look good. The color is nice. The tips have some slight nutrient burn on some. I guess the roots very quickly got to the good stuff. Very dark so i know it's got plenty nitrogen. I haven't added any other nutes or even molasses water.

I just figured they should be much bigger than they are..... Then again my last one was tiny and then during the pre bloom stretch it turned into a giant. I know autoflowers do weird things and I'm probably just all too in my head
 

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Dayyyumm bro. You musta stunted these things somehow! Either that, or garbage genetics. But all three, unlikely. At a month in, they should all be much bigger. Sorry that I don't have anything more helpful.

Well if u do harvest these beauties, I bet you still got another members yield beat. Sorry Puglover1! 🤷‍♂️🙁😂😕😔😲
 
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Wait, you have only watered them 2 times in 30 days? Tell us about why you wait so long between watering them. Is the soil retaining moisture (not well drained)?
 
They are small for their age. I believe its a combination of factors. The soil is too hot for the seedlings, the soil looks very dry and maybe genetics. Where did the seeds come from?
no need for watering till runoff in soil you are actually washing the nutes out of the soil. Next try make a void the size of a half gallon planter at the top of your planters where the seed will go and fill it with seed starting mix or an unamended soil like miracle grow organics. That will give the seedlings time to get going before they hit the hot soil.
Also what is the temperature and humidity in your tent?
 
As Going2fast asked, temperature and RH? I suspect you're having a cold dry winter like everywhere else. If that's the case the plants aren't bringing water or nutrients up. Also what is your light situation? It's all about environment.
 
If the soil temp is under 70F the plants will suffer. I had heaters on my seedling pot and even though the soil temp in the middle was 70F the outside soil next to the bucket would rise to ~73F and the roots mostly went to that side of the cup first. I imagine a seedling tray heater pad would work in the same way enticing the roots to the bottom first. Too bad they don't make round ones. I've seen up to 4'x4' though.
 
Lolol it happens..... I mean the last one i had was tiny and then got huge during the pre bloom stretch. It went from my smallest to the largest.

The GSC i may have bumped it when it was a baby. So it could explain the size.

I hope it's not the genetics but we'll see. I planted 1 of each last night. I got then in a basket cup this way i don't have to transplant... I just bury the container halfway in a bigger container. More controlled water everything else.

Other suspicion i have is too wet. It's a tiny plant in a big bucket. The top is dry long before the bottom starts drying out.
 
Watered 2 times to where they're was run off..... I sprayed with spray bottle around the base to keep things moist for the young roots. It's a big bucket for s small plant and i know autos don't like transplanting. I didn't want to over water. When you lift the bucket up it's heavy. There's plenty water in there.
 
I did add a bunch of perlite... I just think it's a small plant so it's not using up the water quickly. Temp is around 72-75 so not much evaporation happening either
 
I agree i do think the soil was too hot. I planted 3 more last night. I'm going to try something different. I did leave a rather large hole in the middle that i filled with the unamended happy frog. But my suspicion is when I ordered it the nutrients from the side flush down into the middle and it became too hot for when it was young...
The top does dry out pretty quick because i have about 30% perlite mixed in there but when i lift up the buckets, they're heavy. There's plenty water in there. Possibly too wet?
The seeds i got from ILGM the autoflower Super pack with the GSC, BB and GG4
Temp with lights on is around 75-78. Lights off around 65-70
Humidity run around 55% more or less
 
The temp in the room is about 75-78 during the day when the lights are on. At night when the lights go off or drops to about 70 never lower than 65 but that's on those really really cold nights.
​​​​​​Humidity in the room stays between 50-60%.
the lights in using a MH 600 and a SF 2000. Total 300w LED. I keep the lights 25in away from the tops.
I have a fan blowing from across the room towards the opposite corner to circulate the air

Water ph going on is 6.5. I only tested the run off 2x so far. I try to avoid runoff to avoid flushing all the nutes. But you know i have to check to make sure it's okay and runoff was 6.3. So that seems all good. The leaves have a nice color it's just growing so slow.
 
So I'm gonna try something different. I planted 1 of each in these basket cups. I'll be able to control the moisture and i won't have to worry about hot soil seeping in as well. Then after 2 weeks or so, i can just take the basket and bury it halfway or all the way in the bucket with the hot soil and the roots will just grow down into it. I've done this in the past with great success..

It will solve the hot soil issue and possible over watering.
These will still grow. They haven't even started the pre bloom stretch. I'll get something from them yet.
 

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I have badly waterlogged plants before because they were small in a large container. That's why i have holes in the buckets and i always add perlite. I try to learn from my mistakes
 
They've grown ... And still growing.... just very slowly... In another week or so it should start doing the stretch.... We'll see what happens then ... Fingers crossed.....

I figured ILGM has good seeds genetics. My biggest suspect is still the hot soil.. nitrogen toxicity... I guess when watering, the nutes leeched into the center where it was only supposed to be unadultered HF.

This basket technique is going to solve all that without having to worry about transplant shock.
The current ones just need a light flush and they'll bounce back and explode with new growth... All is not lost.
 
I’ve had many plants start like that. I’d toss it and start another one, You’ll be fighting it forever and eventually it’ll die or you’ll kill it anyway so I’d save the hassle and do it now
 
No offense but ilgm are shit genetics. Mass produced white label seeds that they name whatever people are buying. If you like autos I suggest mephisto.
Never used happy frog but a lot of complaints in the community of it being hot and the pH out of whack. May want to do a slurry test on it.
 
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