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Cases of Vaping-Related Lung Illness Surge

Toker1 Ken Lay of Enron died of a heart attack after the shit hit the fan, and Skilling went to club fed for 12 years.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about liability, because the auto industry has gotten away with murder--literally--for decades, as has big pharma. A corporation is a slithery beast.
 
Look up what happened to j. Baxter. Point and case.
Look up Johnson and Johnson and opioid crisis. They were found liable over $500 million just recently.
I’m not saying everyone gets caught. But I still believe in karma. A lifetime of personal guilt can be more deadly than any sentence handed over by a judge.
 
Prohibition is never the answer. I personally still prefer to make my own educated decisions, I’d rather my government not make them for me.
 
I won't post a link because I know y'all can do the research and make your own educated guesses. Looks like the pig living in the White House is about to go medieval on e-cigs.
 
I don’t want you to misconstrue my statement, I’m a firm believer in common sense regulation, we all need protection from all the greedy profit mongers looking to make a buck at someone else’s expense. I also firmly believe that everyone on this earth has the right to make their own choices, given those choices don’t harm anyone else.
 
Toker1 Oh, I totally agree with you re: karma. And the fact that these folks act the way they do breaks my heart. I don't feel holier than thou: they wreak all this damage and make it harder and harder to get this world going the right way.

Johnson & J's 500 million is a drop in their bucket. I want to see these lawsuits really bring some of these companies down, crashing to the ground like Sodom and Gomorrah. You know that some of these companies make more money paying for lawsuits for deaths they caused than if they had gone ahead and changed the gas tank on the car, or the medicine, etc.
 
Obi-Wan as much as I agree...it’s a catch 22. The less prohibition, the more the gov. controls your personal stash. I didn’t mind prohibition from the standpoint that the gov. never stuck their nose in my weed habits. Now that I am law biding...the gov. controls how many plants I have, how much I can carry, how my weed gets stashed.
 
Check out Bayou Hedge Fund Group.
Or Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC
 
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We all take chances when we buy any marijuana concentration. I go to the same shop and get the same brand of shatter. This year I've gotten two sulfur grams. I let the store know, they took it off the shelf until they checked it out, and I was told it got sent back to the company. I have to trust somebody or only smoke every 10 weeks, or so, when I'm lucky enough to get a harvest.
When I make my own, it spends a lot of time on a plate on a 100 degree hot pad for several hours a day. I get OCD with it and mix it and play with it to help remove any remaining solvents. It doesn't beat a vac-oven but it cures like weed in that it changes flavors. It all smells the same at first, but changes smells as well.
 
Let's remember the current regulated marijuana laws are all new. For the government to say, 'Fububble it. Everyone just do your thing.' is irresponsible. That's like vegans saying all the farm animals should be released. There has to be a plan. The e-cig thing is fair. The proposed laws say the vape companies must stop selling their product immediately. The caveat, on vape companies side, is they can continue selling their product when the poisons they put in the pens pass through the FDA. Whatever anyone thinks about that agency. That's an agency that makes the chance of getting bad foods that can make folks real sick. I know it happens.
Every prohibition creates a black market. Will the BM come from China? Maybe a Mexican vape juice cartel? If it is announced, tomorrow, that e-cigs will be band at 12:01AM of Friday, there will be a run on vape stores. People will stock up, keep dying, selling a 30ml bottle for $200. That last bit sounds like a good idea, actually.
I grabbed this after searching for PG uses
"Propylene glycol is used by the chemical, food, and pharmaceutical industries as an antifreeze when leakage might lead to contact with food. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as an additive that is "generally recognized as safe" for use in food." There is nothing in that statement that says the FDA will rule it safe for the lungs. I can't imagine how antifreeze would be.
Vegetable glycerin is used in food and makeup and junk. I would rather not vape any of those products. VG is also food safe. Nobody has said it's safe for the lungs. With the current pressure from the government and society, the FDA is going to have to do a super fantastic job of proving it is so.
By now, there probably is some Mexican vape juice cartel at the ready to get their juice made and smuggled over. And by now, I can't imagine anyone who uses the products think it's a good thing to do. Those things can kill you faster than cancer!
 
I’ve been mixing my own VG based ejuice with nicotine for 3 years with no ill effects to this point. Is it 100% safe, absolutely not, but I feel better than I did when I smoked cigarettes. I breathe better now than I have in 20 years. My lung function was down to 75% as of 3 years ago and the last time I was tested it had returned to 98%. I mix my own for the same reason I grow my own cannabis, I don’t trust anyone else to do it for me. The harmful toxins that are talked about in regards to nicotine based juices are bi-products of the coil being fired at too high of a temperature or not replacing your coils often enough. This can be avoided by buying a higher quality device from a reputable vendor and replacing your coils frequently. THC infused vape cartridges aren’t new in the sense that they’ve been around longer than these reported cases of vape related lung illnesses. What is new are the thickeners that were introduced to the market in 2018. These thickeners are being used to make thinner lower potency THC oil resemble thicker high quality THC oil. The thickeners are made using “Proprietary” blends of synthetic cannabis terpenes and “other” ingredients. We are now learning that the other ingredients are nothing more than derivatives of Vitamin E. Street vendors are using them to stretch their concentrates and legal dispensaries are using them to offer vape cartridges at different doses while maintaining consistent draw and wicking properties. From a personal health standpoint vaping on a 1 gram THC vape cartridge that is made using only concentrate and natural cannabis terpenes is no different than doing a dab of rosin from a high quality electronic rig, your lungs are inhaling the same compounds. What we have on the market instead are cheap devices powering cartridges that are chosen because they are cheap and filled with a 50/50 at best blend of THC and a cheap synthetic thickener.
 
The FDA is going to have the final say, whatever. Then people might get with what you're saying, Obi-Wan. About coils too hot. People not changing coils. I used a pen that had a ceramic cup with a coil that got red hot. The first hit was good. Everything else was pure crap.
 
Latest news blames China for flooding market with Vape that when cooled turns back to liquid in your lungs. I use Juul and order straight from the Company. At my age and the shit I've experienced I figure the good Lord is keeping me here for unknown reasons so A vaping I will go lol.
 
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