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Calling all veterans and experienced growers

Calling all veterans and experienced growers

  • Lighting

    Votes: 4 30.8%

  • Nutrients

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Genetics

    Votes: 7 53.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Total voters
    13
Greenlivin

Greenlivin

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Good morning everyone. Hope you had a nice weekend.

I just completed my 2nd grow, and have found a new appreciation for some of you guys and gals who can produce hundreds of grams per plant indoors.

When I started this hobby last year, I did the same thing I always do with new interests- I dive in head first and learn as much as I can. I learned a lot from research and getting the first grow under my belt. I was hopeful that my second run would yield far greater weight than it did. I finished with one oz of dried flower off of one of the plants.

With that said, I’m really curious as to what veterans think is the most important when it comes to getting large yields. Take a moment, and let us rookies know what you feel is the biggest factor in getting your high yields:
 
Genetics. Growing seeds from the same plant will give you different plants. Maybe a slacker and a monster. A strain that isn't supposed to grow big and buddy, won't. The others are super important. Mainlining will increase yield beyond what the plant was meant to produce. Then figure autos v femmed v regular. Autos are pretty much set for size. Femmed and regular you can veg and train for months before flipping.

Second is lights. I'm comparing a 350watt LED to the sun. 8 hours of sun is like everything else combined for growing. The 350 works for my old space but wouldn't work for my new. Without the sun I wouldn't have much.

Third is nutes. People grow in different media without much or any nutes. Online, I see DWC growers growing a single plant and getting several ounces. And dirt farmers who grow amazing plants in simple soil. An acquaintance grows in Miracle-Gro with some sort of water beads. Never a lick of fertilizer. Machine water between 7.5 and 8.5 pH. His bagseed grows to 6' - plus.
 
I think that all of that comes into play with every grow so I can't vote on one answer. That to me is the art of what we do, finding a combination of the things you mentioned plus things that aren't and using the ebb and flow of experience to take a journey with every grow.
 
I agree with Texasbob. Genetics is probably the single most important factor but you need to get everything ‘tuned in’ to get consistent, quality yields and each plant is different. When I used to grow from random seeds I’d have some good grows but mostly I had disappointing ones. It wasn’t until I found a couple quality mothers to clone from that I started being consistent. My advice is to sprout a bunch of seeds (the more the merrier) and as they grow get rid of the weak, slow plants. You want to keep the resilient ones who can take a beating, top it today and it’s already recovered by tomorrow. If you top a plant and it’s stunned for a couple days, toss it! You’ll likely only have a fraction of the plants you started with once it’s time to start flowering. Take your clones from each plant and grow them 2wks then switch to 12/12 to flower. At this point hope and pray that your favorite plants turn out to be females that produce good bud. If not, rinse and repeat :( Eventually you’ll get good mothers who produce pretty much the same buds every grow. The only time my results vary anymore is because I either f’d something up or decided to tinker with my setup.
 
I voted other. IMO the top three are
Genetics
Lighting
Training

You can get away with good genetics and good lighting and do fairly well but you’re leaving bud in the tent if you don’t train.

You can can good results with good genetics and good training but you’re leaving bud in the tent without good lighting.

You can get good results with good lighting and good training but you’re leaving bud in the tent without good genetics.

You need all three to get maximum results, 1 without the other 2 will leave you wanting more.
 
Another thing to consider is to change your thinking away from yield per plant and instead focus on yield in your space. I run 4 plants in a 3x3 and generally yield between 9-12 oz. in the space. That’s 2.25-3 oz. per plant and it’s nothing special but 9-12 oz. every 70 days is nothing to sneeze at either. It’s more about maximizing your space and growing what you need at the lowest possible cost IMO. I can veg a single plant for 90 days in my 3x3 and I’m fairly confident that I could pull 12-16 oz. on that 1 plant but I still won’t yield as much after a year as I do now because my plants would be spending too much time in Veg.
 
Good advice. Space is my big issue-Using a 2x2. Once I upgrade I’ll definitely try out finding a good mother.
 
That’s a good point. I come from the world of sales where KPI’s are tracked. So I started thinking that way with growing, and thought about judging a good grow on grams per watt. Space is my biggest issue, and it sounds like fixing that can benefit in a lot of ways.
 
Thing is, you can't sacrifice any one of these factors if you wanna grow top shelf bud: air circulation, temp/humid, nutes, lights, genetics. Training will produce larger harvest, but I consider that a separate issue.
 
I have two 2x4x5 tents, one for the mothers and the other to grow the clones. I keep them small, usually start flowering after they veg for 1-2wks after growing roots. I’m only growing for personal use for me and my wife. Depending on what your goals are, you may not need much space.
 
You can have the best genetics, fancy lights, super soil, or whatever, and still get low yields if you're not giving the plant it's basic, balanced needs to begin with.
so many factors work together to determine final outcome...and any of those factors can hurt you. Not enough light, too much light, too close, not close enough, too much food, not enough food....you get the idea.
There's no magic. There's no secret.
Those monster plants and yields all start with a tiny life the same size as every other plant...if their basic requirements aren't met, they struggle.

This is probably the biggest "mistake" myself and other new growers make...getting the basics correct. Of those basic needs, overfeeding and overwatering are the issues I see the most..and the most often...
"Get the basics right and they will reward you."

Over time you learn to read your plants and treat them accordingly....it's definitely a learning curve....
 
Genetics determines yield and quality. Of coarse you have to be able to grow the plant. Your goals your grow. Hydroponics was an eye opening experience for me. Easy, repeatable results and speed. Its a great hobby and you found the right place to learn. Some of these guys really are professionals with lots of experience and they share it. Have a great grow !!
 
Great feedback. Thanks everyone. One thing I see over and over is these huge fat colas with HPS lights. It seems like HPS always produces fatter buds compared to your average blurple led.
 
Maybe so about the HPS but boy are these newer quantum boards and COBs really gaining a good reputation and with much less cost.
 
That's what I have in my grow boxes for the last 1.5 years, and I love them compared to the HID. No changing bulbs, they have a dimmer, the room stays much cooler.
https://www.bcnorthernlights.com/led-lights/

LEDs.jpg
 
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