Hash talk

[Gingerbeard]

If y'all go back and check your notes, I do not have the connoisseur gene a lot of y'all have. And y'all might have highlighted the part where I do not enjoy combusting my dope to get fncked up.
Well, there's a new chapter where Gingerbeard found out about 3+ year old hash. It tastes like pure marijuana. No limonene or pinene or any of the other terpenes people call out. It's just one amazing taste. A little goes a long way. Vaporizing in the bowl. No cherry until the end.
I have not been stoned in quite a while, it seems. Good and proper stoned. Expanding head and wondering if I have enough hair and beard to fill in the expansion so I don't go looking all balding sort of stoned. Not high. You stick to high with your friends at parties because you don't want to make an asshole out of yourself by losing facial function and verbal communication. I ain't saying I'm paranoid, but if buddy Robert comes over, there might be a Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas sort of moment.

[ScottyHill]

Dry sift is my go-to because it keeps more of the flavor and doesn’t need solvents. I usually press it into rosin, but sometimes I go straight to bowls or joints with it. If I want something portable, I’ll throw that rosin into Boutiq carts since they hit smooth and don’t mess with the terps too much. Water hash is awesome too, but I hate dealing with all the drying time.

[Gingerbeard]

There's pressing and there's pressing. There's using a hand screwed pollen press, and there's using a rosin press. Way different products. Rosin is way less forgiving than hand screwed hash.
In my case, and I didn't even mention where I found the hash, it was backed up in my pollen press from years ago when I had occasion to press kief. If I remember correctly, there was water in the press. That's probably what made the hash squeeze pass the press plate and cylinder.

[Gingerbeard]

A recap.
The process was dissolving ice water hash in 200 proof ethanol, filtering, and submersing the filtered ethanol solution in ISO and dry ice for an hour. At the end of the hour, the ISO was cold enough to be gelatinous and had all but stopped boiling. The ethanol solution in the jar was cold maple syrup and filtered one more time. The final filtered ethanol sat on a double boiler setup to boil off the ethanol. This is the second time I've done the process.
My first attempt at this made something much less viscous. This time I got something liquid enough to be sucked up in a de-needled insulin syringe and squirted into a vape pen cartridge. The difference in viscosity might be the amount of time spent dewaxing in the dry ice and ISO.
There was also a carbonation thing. For a full two days at room temperature, agitating the liquidized hash produced bubbles. The first picture is five minutes after transferring to the jar by scooping and dripping.
Second picture is the mound of powdered plant matter that got filtered in the first filter. Don't hate my picture quality. Second filter got a little contaminated so I'm not 100% sure what that took out.

[dirtymike]

When can you dab it. Does it also have to cure?

[Ckbrew]

Look who is becoming a lab rat. Good work.

[Gingerbeard]

First dab was directly from the double boiler to check for excess ethanol sizzle and cough. There was no sizzle and no cough so the plate came off the heat and went to room temperature. It sat for a day before transfer to see if it would settle the carbonation. It took another bit in the final jars before settling.
Maaan... that curing thing is a question. I mean, is it possible to stop curing without freezing? Rosin is heat pressed through a filter but cold cured. I've seen distillate temperatures can go over 400°. Live resin is pretty much sub-zero throughout the process. Hash is heat pressed, unfiltered. What of those things cure and why do they or do they not cure in their extracted form?
Marijuana does not produce THC, it produces THC-A, yeah? It is not until heat and/or time are applied to the THC-A that it becomes active. Does THC-A cure but not THC? Or say whatever compounds cure? Does heat or cold stop curing? Do solvents?
I guess time is going to tell me if this stuff gets better with age. With all my ginger I am going to store at least a gram in the fridge for a month and a gram in a cupboard to see if anything changes. It's me against my willpower.

[Bluey]

What's natural curing?

[Gingerbeard]

Natural curing. Just a plain-ol' bud sitting in a jar, naturally curing. Dry sift trichomes. Unheated. Uncooled. Unstripped.
Extracts are unnatural. From -100° to 400°+ and Ethanol and all the other -tanes. What stops curing? Is there a point where the little trichome says, 'Well, that about does it for me! I'm cured. Can't get no more cured than the cured I am. Thanks for the comfortable environment.'

[Bluey]

If you freeze it it slows it down. If you remove O² I am pretty sure it stops.

[ScottyHill]

Dry sift is my go-to because it keeps more of the flavor and doesn’t need solvents. I usually press it into rosin, but sometimes I go straight to bowls or joints with it. If I want something portable, I’ll throw that rosin into Boutiq carts since they hit smooth and don’t mess with the terps too much. Water hash is awesome too, but I hate dealing with all the drying time.

Guys, what you'll think about that? Is it a good way using dry sift?

[Gingerbeard]

I don't think there is a bad way to use dry sift.

[Phlash]

Gingerbeard

Missed this originally, but for me, I don’t ever grind for IWH, in fact I use very little ice just enough to keep the water cold, all agitation is gentle, green is the enemy. 220 is a toss bag and 120, 78, 45 are my usual pull bags, sometimes 25 as well if I had to harvest early. Water is used once then discarded, I have two 6gallon jugs that are left outside to chill and are refilled during the runs. The bags capture all the trichomes I care about as it is poured through.

I only make hash one time a year and do so in the winter, free refrigeration you know. This year the source was from one outdoor plant, since I’m limited for space only bud was processed by cutting them to about 3/8” pieces then frozen fresh (-20c), not compressed, weight total was approximately 5lbs.

About 3 months forward yield washed out to about 8oz, most was worked by drying, freezing, micro-planing, drying, heat pressing, then rolled into 16g temple balls. As I was rolling the last one and I guess I got a little over zealous and it completely devolved in my hands. I can say that it is something you don’t ever want to have to deal with, had to clean up with alcohol but will recover that mistake during a later alcohol extraction run.

Here are a few pics from field to table so to speak…

[Smallgrow]

Very nice!

[Gingerbeard]

Thanks for that Phlash. I'd smoke your hash.
Nug size was an issue in this run. Had some that were half as big as my computer mouse. Not many smaller than large marbles.
Also, too much agitation. I'm looking at your paddle. That's exactly the sort of thing I want to consider for my next IWH.
If you missed this, originally, go back to my post in this thread number 124 to see what I do with my IWH. What's missing is that I'm using straight 220 hash. In the end, there's no need to screen any further.

[Phlash]

Your process is interesting especially in how it causes the off gassing when the distillate is agitated. How long was it exposed to the double boiler heat for the evaporation process? Oh and thanks for the link update

[Gingerbeard]

Can't tell you time wise because I did different things.
Double boiler using a mason jar took too long, so I poured everything into a Pyrex pie plate and basically went Jedi mind trick to guess when it was done...ish.
Page 7 has more pictures of my first attempt.

[Phlash]

Good reads, really like all the details. for your green leeching if you use DI/Etoh wash to get your wash temps down below -40 for your initial extract that will help inhibit the chlorophyll pull and filtering while still at those temps any lipids and waxes should be left behind as well.

[Gingerbeard]

Dewaxing has been and still is my goal in all this: I want the cleanest thing I can make in terms of removing plant matter. Before this, I was making BHO. Everything about it made me uncomfortable, no matter how clean and purged I thought everything was. Plant matter free-ish, yes, but the idea of residual butane finally got to me. If I inhale residual ethanol, I am unconcerned.
Funny about that green color wash. It browned like the chlorophyl was degrading in the jar. This time, there was no green at all. I'm not sure if there was a difference in the amount of leaf still left on the buds, but if there was, I would say this time had more leaf and would have been greener.

[Phlash]

Yeah I agree with you, I’ve never liked the thought of the residuals, hence why I’ve stayed with ethanol for extract.

Keeping everything as cold as possible and limiting wash time will definitely aid in limiting contaminants. As for the color chlorophyll will break down into pheophytn letting the color from carotene and anthocyanins to come thru, the effect helps with the color but not any of the harshness. To accelerate the transformation if it’s only color you are concerned with you can put the jar of finished wash in your grow tent for 15-20 min if your lights have a uv component or in the direct sun and the green should fade away..