Hash talk

[Gator]

A.L.S. is hereditary

[DabberDog]

I'd like to see your pictures very much! I've been thinking about some sort of DIY distiller. My roadblock has always been a chiller. Saw a moonshine still at just the right time and realized a cold-water bath would do the same thing.

[Allotrope1000]

Hi, Dabber.
I think ethanol is fine, though a bit pricey. Here's a trick I use to recycle my alcohol.
I put my raw RSO solution in a 1000 ml pyrex filter flask, 900 ml full (same one I use for my Buchner funnel).
And, heat the flask on a hot plate, running the vacuum hose not to the pump, but open to the bottom of a 3lb coffee can sitting in a bucket of ice. Recycles the alcohol great, with out having to clean up a bunch of distillation glass. I also wrap aluminum foil over the top 3"-4" of the flask, the top of which is plugged tight with a rubber stopper. The foil helps keep the alcohol hot and vaporized. I'll post some pics if you'd like.

[DabberDog]

I'm getting different information about terpenes being water soluble. I get solid advice they are, and solid advice they are not.
I have winterized (dewaxed) for BHO and found my home freezer does very little to solidify the lipids. If comparing coffee filters after running a wash through a Buchner funnel, dry ice does a much better job. Page 7 of this thread is my breakdown.
My solvent will be food grade from here on out. I understand other products are supposed to be safe, but I want to get away from possibly inhaling things that I definitely shouldn't. I don't know from naphtha and acetone and all those other things. Their big turnoff for me is the smell. My dad did a lot of stuff with solvents and strippers and other chemicals for work in the days when proper ventilation and skin protection were only recommendations and there was no MSDS. I am convinced those chemicals gave him ALS and dementia. When I smell some things, I get... weird. Can't explain it. I don't like the smell of evaporating ethanol for personal history, but it doesn't give me the willies.

[Allotrope1000]

Hi, guys.
Not a chemist, but somewhat chemistry "aware".

If the goal is to eliminate chlorophyll in RSO, I believe one has to look first at the solvent being used. Most commonly, ethanol or propanol. Unfortunately, these alcohols are "partially" polar, meaning polar molecules like water and chlorophyll will also dissolve into solution. I use the "winterized" (bud and solvent frozen in freezer) technique as it also helps reduce waxes and lipids dissolving into solvent.
Rick Simpson also used "light" naptha, which is non-polar. Butane, hexane and heptane are also non-polar possibilities, but much more dangerous due to flammability. A real lab set up (exhaust hood, distillation glassware, etc.) would be a MANDATORY safety requirement! Terpenes are also non-polar and should dissolve into non-polar solvents, but not water.

Your thoughts?

[DabberDog]

Still thinking.
If water curing removes terpenes, does making IWH remove terpenes? Or is it a time thing? Days curing versus minutes in ice water. Can the terpenes be extracted from the water? If there are terpenes in curing water, can you drink it for benefit?

[DabberDog]

The water cured RSO looks interesting.
Water curing pulls out the leaf stuff, but it also pulls out some terpenes. I don't know how I feel about that since RSO is heated to 180°+ and terps are already plenty lost. The stuff I made is the most potent, most whole body, most entourage effecting marijuana product I have ever had. I use way less than I do 80%+ live resin. Whatever terpenes are lost, I don't know about. Now, I have to consider if it'sFranklin 's strain or the final product. The finger pressed hash is in line with the RSO but not as whole body. Don't know about the flower. I'm leaning to the effects of the flower, in concentrated form.
Next in the brain queue: water cured and dewaxed RSO. I have some experimenting to consider.

[DabberDog]

Ckbrew moonrocks are buds covered in oil and rolled in kief. My research was a little disappointing. About all I saw was people dropping oil on their buds, then the kief. Not much more than loading up a bowl. I thought it was going to be a whole other experience, dipping buds in oil then using a vacuum chamber to really oil up the flower. Might go ahead and see how that works.

[magnum98]

Merry Christmas and 10 characters

smoking something very similar rn. christmas cheer aye, lol

[Ckbrew]

These are the questions of home chemists that are valid, unfortunately the answers can only be found in a lab qualitative analysis. Expensive and usually excluded by labs from the work of home chemists. The closest you will get at home is to make it both ways, then get volunteers to do a blind "taste test" and have them report results.

[Ckbrew]

Freezing it would make it more viscous, but the dry part is the same that you would get from a vacuum chamber. Once it warmed up it would return to the previous state. I think you are attempting to "dry out" an oil. RSO is TCH, waxes, and other miscellaneous material from the plant, all non-polar materials. I think if you added some dry sift kief and worked it together the result would become thicker and more like what you are trying to make. Are you trying to make moon rocks? I'm not totally familiar with that product, I was under the impression that they were oil extract mixed with dry bud material.

[DabberDog]

Still talking RSO.
I've seen how people cure buds in water to help draw out chlorophyll.
What does anyone think about water curing before making RSO?
The upside might be a cleaner oil. The downside might be taking away the full-spectrum aspect of RSO.

[DabberDog]

It's been well evaporated. RSO, by nature, is a gooey liquid. I'm wondering if there is a way to turn it into a solid. Maybe freeze dry?

[Ckbrew]

Desiccation means removing water. You should be using low water content alcohol. If you are doing that there should be no or very little water in it when finished. Water can be removed by evaporation by heat or vacuum, or both if you are so inclined. If you over heat it the THC will eventually start to break down. A vacuum chamber will avoid deterioration. Does this help or have I misinterpreted your question?

[DabberDog]

Can RSO be further desiccated after the alcohol evaporation?