Hey blowoutdude, I took no offense to your response at all, we are one Big family here and if we can’t be honest with one another, then there is no sense posting. I appreciate honesty! I believe what led to me letting them get that fire was me being cocky thinking I wouldn’t get a male plant out of a mystery seed, but in my defense they started out with white wispy hairs that looked like pre-bud sites ? And this has only happened once in five years so I don’t have a lot of experience identifying a male plant.