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The Shady Side of Legal Cannabis?

What everyone said above all make sense,It will likely take 10 yrs. for the growers,sellers,products and consumers to level out and become a stable industry. You also know the big pill companies are not sitting on thier fat wallets,You KNOW they will come up with a bigger and better THC pill(F--K them!!) This is all good. Just may take time to smooth out the bumps The last 3 yrs prohabition has come a long way from 40 yrs ago.
 
Yeah, I'm hoping Big Pharma doesn't get too serious...recent research has indicated that the effectiveness of CBD and or THC are most effective when combined together. The ratios of cannabinoids and terpenes and levels of consumption for effective doses can vary a lot between consumers/patients. So its more a personal choice. And plant derived products are more effective than ones produced in a lab.
Hopefully this will keep an open window for craft growers because big parma doesn't like to get into something that takes too much effort to produce. Simple and mass produced seems to be their thing and even the newest FDA approved epilepsy drug is very expensive too with limited production...(mostly because it is derived directly from the plant to provide the additional effects provided by terpenes and other cannabiniods_ I have no idea what strain they are using and in their process they also lose some of the cannabinoids and terpenes that otherwise would be present). Basically I can make my own at much less cost...but a lot more work as well_ good thing I love doing this as a hobby...Some of this may start to settle out after a few years...after the Canadian firms now producing all kinds of bio/pharma products have had a chance to get their stuff out on the market long enough to see how receptive it is. Fingers crossed... Cheers!
 
ZigZag The Source is a great machine for making meds, fo sho!!! If you looked at that thread on the sap, you see that it's completely possible to make vapeable concentrates; you just gotta have the buchner to remove all the plant matter. I tried a few times before I got the buchner, and what came out was RSO or Full Extract Cannabis Oil (FECO), which is not vapeable.

Another thing you can do if you need to add CBD: get the CBD slab or powder (cbdistillery is where i got mine): it of course infuses in alcohol and stores indefinitely in the freezer. Last year I made a tincture with about 14 grams of CBD, and it's still sitting in the freezer so I can take it out and add some to whatever Cannabis tincture I'm making. Then of course, you remove the alcohol and voila! You've customized your sap by adding the CBD. https://extractcrafter.com/
This guy taught me just about everything I know about concentrates.
 
I meet another grower yesterday, in our chat seeds came up. It seems that questions are being ask about where we/you got your seed and may need to prove genetics, save those records! (His backer put up 85 acres and $2,000,000.00 to get started) And dont forget they said "Made in Oklahoma",,, so could there be another agenda behind this? I mean if those seed crossed a state line,,,, as mine did, then what?
 
I reckon I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist: I see Big Pharma, conservative MDs, the lobbyists and therefore the govt. all highly invested in maintaining the status quo which they are all staying rich off of. (And I include Phast Phood in there as a definite part of the conspiracy.) It's just too obvious that Cannabis was illegalized in order to protect vested interests. What has all this resulted in?

From the CDC website: "From 1999 to 2017, almost 218,000 people died in the United States from overdoses related to prescription opioids. Overdose deaths involving prescription opioids were five times higher in 2017 than in 1999." In 2017 there were over 70 thousand deaths: that's one third of all the deaths since 1999. So ya think this country's in crisis? Drrrrrrrrr...

In my humble view of how stuff works in the USA, all this just shows how ethically fked up this country really is. None of the above-mentioned groups cares a lick about the health of the populace. I live in a sociopathic culture that only cares about money. A big reason why I use Cannabis every day to keep my mind right and my game tight...
 
And they want to make something even stronger then fentanyl, and IMHO that would only be for junkies!
Conspiracy, well Big Pharma feed us phenobarbital as infants so we would be addicted for life,,
At the Dr's office;
Me; Dr my kids cannot have phenobarbital!
Dr; If you give them this "YOU" can sleep.
Me; Doc, I am a parent, I dont need sleep!
We talked further about how I think it causes life long addictions, I went away with a script for a non narcotic med!
 
"I see Big Pharma, conservative MDs, the lobbyists and therefore the govt. all highly invested in maintaining the status quo which they are all staying rich off of." Parasites of a feather they flock together!

You mean you don't eat at the McMaggot? I donl't either. That shit will kill you! I was reading an article about the raising of the hogs used in the McRib. The HORROR! The HORROR! This isn't it, but close. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...ions-at-mcdonalds-mcrib-pork-supplier/247779/
 
I’m not sure this is the place to throw this into but. Have you guys seen “murder mountain” in Netflix? Definitely worth a watch, it’s the story of Humboldt county and the people that started the cannabis cultivation culture.
 
Rwise I have it on fairly good authority that the OMMA/OBNDD are going to turn a blind eye to how the genetics originally arrived in Oklahoma. They're not ignorant of the fact that in order for the industry to get going it will have to be fed through grey channels at first in order to establish a diverse range of genetics here in Oklahoma. One of the head honchos of OMMA is on record from a town hall meeting or something where he was asked about how growers are supposed to get the genetic material to start with and his answer was to cover his eyes and ears. Said they didn't really want to know, but to be aware that seed to sale tacking requirements are coming and that at that time all genetics would have to be proven to have originated in Oklahoma.
 
Hopefully your "watch dogs" in Oklahoma will adopt the same attitude as Oregon and Washington. Their governors told the police and TSA to not hassle anyone transporting cannabis products over the Oregon/Washington border or even in the Seattle or Portland airports (long as it was an ounce or less). They couldn't give a heck about seeds. I travel through there pretty often and on occasion have had edibles in my carryon no problem. But usually I try to avoid that because I can buy legal anywhere on the west coast. Best wishes to all you folks in Oklahoma, cheers.
 
Rwise I didn't know about the phenobarbital! But there are countless stories about big pharma releasing drugs that weren't properly tested or that they knew wouldn't work well for everyone; I kinda see them like Nazi scientists doing experiments on concentration camp inmates...
 
Update regarding the original purpose of this thread (third hand information but an interesting story nonetheless). An acquaintance of an acquaintance who is also a fellow commercial grower was at a dispensary making a sales call about a month ago. He didn't have product yet but had gone there just to introduce himself and begin forming a relationship. He introduced himself to the dispensary manager and they apparently talked for a little while on the sales floor about strains and harvest times, etc. As that grower was leaving he was followed out of the dispensary by another person. That person confronted him and told him that he needed to not come back because this dispensary was 'his turf' and he needed to go find another dispensary to sell to out of his grow. I take the story with a grain of salt as it has gone through at least two different mouths before getting to me, but it is an interesting story.
 
Interesting & I hope that isn't true... it doesn't say much for the "community" as an integrated whole working together for the future of the industry. More like paranoia about making their investment back and the profits they hoped to achieve.
This isn't a "fast money" industry. As you know it takes a substantial investment with a somewhat unpredictable outcome. Once the industry gets going there in Oklahoma those who "grow together" will be the ones who survive. Growers like the one outside that dispensary, should there be some, will get "black listed" by all those in the business.

Dispensaries want to be able to provide a wide variety of products, new ones to try_ new strains, new extracts and edibles, etc...but they also want to have a decent supply of the well known traditional strains a lot of people ask for because they've heard of them or tried them before.
No one grower is going to be able to supply that kind of service_ unless they have a lot of experience, a very large grow space and can harvest at least a variety of strains 3x/year. My daughter works as the manager for a dispensary chain in Portland and they have about a dozen growers they buy from at any one time_ just so they can complete with the other dispensaries.
They won't work with growers that try to push others out of the way_ its extremely counter productive to alienate those who are keeping you in business... so dispensaries work at developing relationships with those who deserve their respect and are able to work with others. And some grow some of their own strains as well!
 
It's the Cannabis Mafia: if you infringe on their territory, you will sleep with the fishes in cement overshoes. Legal states will be over-run with gangsters.
 
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