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Pictures of seedlings need help identifying issue.

i honostly might have root problems from over and under watering ima transplant all my bigger plants maybe all of em f i have the soil for it now im trying to keep em in small pots as long as possible so i can keep em ina big deep dish tray so i can tote them outside for full sun sometimes when the weather is nice...
 
Its really hard to diagnose such young plants. It could be overwatering. Some people have issues with foxfarms Ocean Forest soil being to hot (its all I use and i have never had an issue but others have had issues.) Could be underwatering. Using ffof you do not need to add any nutrients at all the first part of the grow. If you are transplanting you wont need it till the end of the veg period. So if you have added nutrients it most likely caused the issue. I cant remember if you said what ph your water is. But your waters ph could be the issue. Needs to be between 6 and 7.

On the 2 plants in the first picture i cant believe they arent in need of transplanting yet. They are plenty big enough to have a great root system already. Any additional info you can give will help with the diagnosis.
 
really they all were doing just fine then randomly some started fucking up i dont have a ph pen im getting one tomorrow at the garden shop along with perlite and d earth and a few other little bs stuff i thought i could get away with using rain water and ffof soil til i had a chance to get one.. hopefully tomorrow i can get transplanted and new seedlings in good soil and just dont over do anything for awhile and see if they start to get better and ima check the ph of everything ive used and the ph of the runoff of each pot to see if that was an issue hopefully it was just an over and under watering issue i do like foliar feed cause i know humidty must be lowin there.. anyway itll be mostly water here on out for awhile.. and i havenot gave them any bottled nutes before..
 
Using the ffof you shouldnt use anything but ph'd water for about a month as long as you transplant them when needed. The soil has everything they need for about 4 weeks. Of course adding perlite to the soil doesnt count. If you have been adding anything else, even teas, they probably got to many nutrients. Also make sure to water them only when needed. Overwatering and underwatering will cause issues that can be hard to diagnose and can bring up other issues too.
 
Antonio92
The wood chips will do the opposite of perlite. Perlite encourages drainage and prevents the media from retaining too much water. Wood chips will act like a sponge and retain water. Wood chips should be avoided and even (if possible) removed.
I see you concerned still with drainage below, and recommend looking for ways to improve it. But plant looks good and with your care I am sure they'll do well!
 
Campesino uhhh whoops hahaha. Ya I'm not a very good gardener much better Carpenter. That makes alot of Sense, i Will make a new soil mix and transplant to the full size pots. Been rainy and cloudy probabaly why the issue has compounded, since there Is usually lots of heat and sun. Thanks for the tip!
 
yeah ive been trying to stick to water for the first few weeks of seedlings.. ill be more on the ph'd water for now starting tomorrow and ima give em all a transplant into a bigger pot with some fresh ffof,worm castings, and perlite and water til i see they need to be fed again..
 
really ive only been giving them rain water, coco water, and aloe water, not much else.. well the older plants had some chicken manure and worm casting tea once. wanted to get the microbial life going in the soil and i made sure it wasnt enough to burn anything.
 
Antonio92 ,Most all soil companies put wood chips and small slices of wood in their soil as a filler. But I would not remove them, that would take all day to pick out all the wood in a sack of soil, most all of the soil that I use from the delta is full of prices of sticks And decayed wood , never hurt anything that I can tell, matter of fact FFOF an ffhf are full of wood And people use it, with good results, don't worry about the wood, it's not gonna hurt a thing.
If it was bad for your soil, they wouldn't put it in there. Not enough in there to cause any problems, I'd put it in mine if I was down where you are, rocks, pebbles, anything else, if I needed to, even rice husks, it's gonna decay anyhow, except for the rocks, but wood never hurt anything.
 
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yeah the only bad thing about wood chips is if its fresh would chip or not broken down yet itll absorb some nitrogen thats in your soil so if you have a lot of wood chips in your soil mix you might wanna add a bit of Nitrogen to it to compensate but after that your great to go because woodchips when broken down is greatttt for plants and trees cause they are more fungal then bacteria so it helps build mychorrhizae and more good stuff. woodchips for mulching is really good because itll keep the soil underneath really growing with microbes fungal and bacteria life itll keep it damp you wont have to water much if at all so farms use wood chips for mulch cause they get no rain or water and thats the only way there crops will survive and its great to have a strong mycorrhizae network and they thrive best in wood chips and roots just youtube/google back to eden method and you will see what i mean.
 
yeah bro im having the same issueshopefully i figure this bs out asap and get them healthy again... ill make sure to let yall know what it is if i get it fixed..
 
The wood chips included in high quality soils like FFOF are properly composted.
This is one of the easiest ways to visually tell the difference between high and low quality potting soil - whether the wood is composted.
Wood chips even when composted will retain water - this is not always problematic, it is often beneficial - but if the issue is inadequate drainage, they should be avoided.

I agree that it is not worth the effort to pick out the small chips - Transplanting into soil that will drain better is the preferred solution
 
Aged wood chips are not bad for the soil. Outside i use them everywhere. I use all kinds of organic matter outside. Grass clippings, leaves, my non meat organic matter from the house such as coffee grounds old vegetables etc. I have a compost pile and turn it frequently. Once aged and partially broken down it is like black gold. Outside I have more earth worms in my soil than you could imagine. You dont even need a shovel to turn my dirt. The worms keep the soil aerated and keep the drainage from becoming an issue. Inside i dont have worms to fix that for me so I add stuff to the soil to help do what worms do outside. Perlite if you have it works well. If you dont have it there are many things that will serve the same purpose. Use what you have and is available. As long as the roots get enough oxygen and you have decent drainage you will be fine.

Im seriously thinking about making my inside grows similar to outside and see what happens. By this i mean using living soil and having worms to do their jobs. I am going to at least give it a try becuase no matter how hard i try to imitate nature It is just no comparison.
 
Alright well here Is an update. So haven't watered and inside a finger deep it's just barely Starting ti ask for More Water. Appears drainage Is a big issue, which Is weird because same soil on a malr plant had no issues. I have some updated photos, i Will be mixing the soil and transplanting tomorrow . The Clover Is also now growing. Honestly hard to tell much difference but i think now the plants are better and were waterlogged. Will post another update sunday.
cheers happy saturday
 

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dang i just transplanted the biggest ones into 1 gallon pots which is way roomy for them they were not root bound but my most stunted plant same age as the big ones i have in pics had barely any roots at all thats why it was so stunted and it was from over watering im 90 % sure! of it it wasnt being over fed nutes or having any deficiencies... i wish i would took pics of the roots i didnt even think about it though til i got here but ill start trying to take more pics..
 
oh yeah aged wood chips arent but fresher wood chips are they suck all the nitrogen up as they decompose but broken down aged wood chips that come from chips from a log gone through a wood chipper those type of chips composted/aged good are the best for plants/trees check out "garden of eden"!on youtube
 
hey guys if yall are still having those poblems its for sure over watering i slowed down the watering and the yellowish leaves started to green up and nothing else was dying or yellowing and i transplanted this morning also so in 3 days i should see a nice boost i learned a big lesson this time, you only need to give seedlings ph water for a good 2-3 weeks before you need to worry about feeding and all the extra stuff... also cant keep your soil too wet a little damp is good roots need air in between feedings! man if only i didnt go through so many beans to find out but i still think alot of my beans were trash... and ffof needs extra perlite!
 
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