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Organic am I wasting my time?

Smokesteve

Smokesteve

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Hi guys I've been doing organic for 8 grows now and I'm somewhat happy with the results. The quality of bud is good the quantity could be much higher.my major setbacks happen after week 4 of 11/13. The plants look like they are starving fade extremely quickly and then take forever to finish like instead of 9-10 weeks like the breeder says were talking 16+. Im using a solistek 600w hps on boost thats 660w. My temps run no higher than 81. I have no glass over the bulb and in the winter I just open the double doors to the closet for passive ventilation when the light is on. I'm using Franks #4 soil and elevation organics peak harvest nutes with added Calmag and slf100 and sugaree. I'm thinking I would double my yield if I switched to chemical nutes but the last thing I want is chem tasting harsh weed. Thanks
 
"organic" is subjective, meaning, that compost is organic, minerals from the ground are organic. The processes are different on break down, one uses chemicals outside of nutrients, the other uses natural decay. I use dyna-gro and general hydroponics calmag, I use FF happy frog potting soil. My grows are not bad, see for yourself. As far as breeder times go, that is estimate and depends on many factors. As far as harsh cannabis, that comes from a poor cure or very dry smoke, I flush for a week, dry and cure for about a month to a month and a half, my stuff is smooth, in fact i was so high I was smoking my joint like a cigarette. Your plants may be underfed as well, depending on what you use and the size of your plant it is really a toss up, most of what is recommended is usually based on a larger fertilization process or your plant simply needs more. I hope I helped, and the best advice I can give you is patience and realistic expectations, you can get anywhere from two to four ounces per plant. I might point out that you may also want to switch to 12/12, unless you are growing pure Sativas.
 
I’d say no your not wasting your time unless you are selling it. Honestly I just switched from chemical fertilizers to Organics just feed the soil type grows. Are you using bottled nutrients? Also have you checked out Buildasoil.com or KISS Organics.com if you scroll all the way down on they’re page specially Buildasoil they have video and blogs on growing Organic everything you need to know will be there and it’s free info.. I highly recommend you check them out. Also on YouTube Clackamas Coot is the name type it in and watch every single podcast that he is in and you won’t regret it he like a organic grow bible. After listening to him you will think to yourself (I would have to be stupid)to go out and buy expensive chemical fertilizers when you can feed your soil all it needs for pennies). Seriously go and read and listen to the podcast a really good one is on KISS Organics YouTube channel 3 part series Clackamas Coot. To help you directly with your question try Malted Barley the enzymes you get from it will help your plant finish faster in flower I’m currently testing this as this is my first grow organic but it’s the same strain so if it finishes faster oh and also more resin than I know it works. You can ask more about my reply I will try to help you more but like I said it’s my first time so my best advice is to go on those pages and podcast it’s all your answers there for free period..
 
Organic is defined as carbon to carbon bonds or carbon to hydrogen bonds. So by definition, water is inorganic.
Now with these nutrients you are discussing, they require some form of living bacteria in the soil to convert the feed into a usable form. If the bacteria cultures do not survive or are in low numbers, plants will suffer.
As for chem flavors in the smoke, I remove the nitrogen from the diet at least 2 weeks prior to harvest. That plus a good dry-cure is key. I have been experimenting with lower dry-cure temps. Seems like keeping the temps just under 70F durring this process helps out with flavor a lot.
 
Hey Toker1, What was the humidity when doing the dry? I just finished a dry in my shed at 45* - 55* 3 days at 30-35% humidity at the mursey of Mother Nature . The bud dried and smokes so nice I will continue this. Had just enough moisture in it for a perfect burn. Smells real nice in the jar! Has this been your results also?
 
So I keep them in 45-55 for as long as possible. Even through out slow curing in jars. When they first start to crisp up, I toss them in a brown paper bag until the moisture from the stems is drawn out. When they get crispy again, straight into jars for the slow cure.
Yes jars smell great, and also take a big bud or two and smell it individually to make sure no funk happened.
 
Same process only dff I used a box in place of the bag. Extremely satisfied withe the results and will continue the process ! Thanks for the feed back!
 
Try both? I am new grower. And I am on a budget. so I can't....I think I may just be a good grower after all. Or I am starting to think like one. #1 at the dollar store I wanted to buy these $1 glass vase things to stick over my new sports. But I used old Pepsi bottles instead. #2 I bought the #3 cloth grow bags I am thinking now I should put good steel rings all around the top of my bags for training. Would be a lot easier to do when not full. Would anyone buys these if I made them? things that's I worry about are my foot print. And what is my GF going to put into her beautiful body when her medicine is ready. But 8 good grows! wow Congo Ratz. That's some vast EXP that can NOT be thought. Must be learned@
 
You have the right idea, a lot of what is on the market is purely gimmicks. Just a great pruning regimen is all you need. I love smart bags and they are cheap, easy to grow in.
 
I should have been clearer when I stated subjective, I meant from a sales point of view, not from a science point of view. As long as a product is labeled "Organic" it will sell better, and then we add ten more bottles that are "organic" so we have the absolute best nutrients possible, no one ever pauses to think that they can get something that is two or three part formula that costs less.
 
I too am on a budget, so its organic soil from the compost area, soda bottles for humidity domes, CFLs (to get started), chicken or rabbit poo, banana juice, and black strap, make my own cloth bags,
I surround the bags with 2x4 welded wire fencing, it too is old/damaged (needed to be sent away) and this is a great use for it.
I do what I can with what I have, and will upgrade as I go.
 
Rwise , I rarely upgrade when I can save so much, I remember having to pay a lot for so little, with growing, I can pay a little for a lot.
 
Hey Ace. I knew what you meant.
Here in CA, organic or non... it won’t sell if it doesn’t smell.
But I know what you are saying about the gimmick sales tactics.
 
Many get into that hobbyist mentality having to have the very best no matter what the cost. You can drop a lot of dinero in that vein of thinking. I have to confess I splurge in some areas especially light systems. However I have plenty of cash flow so it really doesn't matter.
 
I have a little change to throw around, I just prefer not to. I just so hated spending so much money on it when the stuff literally can grow(not on or as trees). When I first started I spent ridiculous amounts of money on light and nutrients, never again, not when there is cheaper options that do just as well.
 
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