dropinbiking
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I'm sure a 240w quantum board style light would be awesome. Two boards, one driver. I'm eyeing up a 240w kit on alibaba for only a couple hundred bucks.
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How important is a dimmer on LED lights?
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dropinbiking
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This is about as bare bones basic as it gets. They are all over the place, the only thing that really changes is one or two heatsinks, and what kind of LED's you want on the board. They come with a dimming knob, and are pretty straight forward. You avoid paying a premium, but are stuck with long shipping and some "assembly" (I use that term loosely)
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dropinbiking
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Yeah I've seen some guys relocate them. I'd probably just space it up off the heatsink and point a fan down on it, use it as some radiant heat. I also never see anybody applying thermal paste between the back of the PCB and the heatsink. HUUUUUUUUGE gains to be had from just that extra 2 minutes. Sure it's messy, but I know I'll be doing it. No brainer, better transfer = cooler board.
MeEasy
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dropinbiking alibababa has some good prices for lights and I've heard more good than bad about them. I believe it's king bright that a few guys have and they're pretty happy with them.
RobC I know alot of people who have hlg lights and are very happy with em. I don't like the co because of personal shit but I won't bad mouth their products they seem to be top of the line. I would go with a minimum of 100w anything smaller just doesn't put out enough light to grow quality buds.
RobC I know alot of people who have hlg lights and are very happy with em. I don't like the co because of personal shit but I won't bad mouth their products they seem to be top of the line. I would go with a minimum of 100w anything smaller just doesn't put out enough light to grow quality buds.
dropinbiking
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Yeah if you go with HLG, get nothing smaller than their 260w kit, or something similar. Just sucks you need to pay twice as much as what you pay other place.s
ZigZag
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My experience too, genetics can make a big difference in how specific plants react to various amounts of light, given all else is the same. Even the same cultivar will have plants that have slightly different requirements and tolerances. Just got to find a balance. Sometimes when I have two strains that are of significantly different heights to keep the canopy even I put risers under the shorter plants so everyone gets access to the same PPFD. You can also try watering the "crispier" ones more to keep the leaves a bit cooler, as long as they don't get too heavy and droop too much before lights out. I've done this and had good success. You just have to keep watch and make sure to check to make sure they are "perky" in the morning, which will mean they aren't drowning. You might also try placing the "crispy" ones as far from the fan(s) as possible to reduce evapotranspiration...which will help maintain water content in the leaves. Happy growing!
ZigZag
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Perhaps the most important aspect of your lighting (bedsides color spectrum and intensity at specific stages of growth) is the PPFD over your entire canopy from edge to edge. Of course we all try to achieve that by training our plants to have as even a canopy as possible, but an even PPFD requires eliminating the "cone of light" that most single lights produce, just as much if not more than an even canopy does. They work hand in hand.
PPFD is the measurement of PAR delivered to a specific area at a specific height, say 28" above the canopy.
It is really the only true measurement of how much light is being delivered to enable photosynthesis over every square meter. It is expressed in umols/m2/sec_it describes how much PAR is delivered to each square meter of canopy.
For instance, I'm using SPYDRX Plus lights, the LEDs are distributed over a 4x4' grid so everything under each grid light has exactly the same PPFD in the 4x4' footprint directly below the lights. Attached are two charts_one showing how the PPFD varies according to the distance the lights are above the canopy. For instance the SPYDRX PLUS lights produce 594 PPFD at 18" over every square foot in the 16 Sq.ft area below each light (other models of lights are also listed). The dimmer chart shows how the PPFD can be varied by using the dimmer. The Intensity chart shows the optimum PPFD for different stages of cannabis.
I've got tons of information on lighting if you'd like more.
I'd recommend getting lights from a manufacturer that publishes the PPFD their lights produce at specific heights and a "map" that visually shows how much falloff there is beyond the dimensions of the light itself when hanging over the canopy at specific heights as well.
Affordability is also, obviously, an influencing factor too.
And of course if its in your budget you should get a light/s that will provide between 100 to over 600 PPFD for every stage of growth.
I've found that my SPYDRX plus at 12-18" (594-745PPFD) is perfect for flowering.
Hope that helps. Happy growing!
PPFD is the measurement of PAR delivered to a specific area at a specific height, say 28" above the canopy.
It is really the only true measurement of how much light is being delivered to enable photosynthesis over every square meter. It is expressed in umols/m2/sec_it describes how much PAR is delivered to each square meter of canopy.
For instance, I'm using SPYDRX Plus lights, the LEDs are distributed over a 4x4' grid so everything under each grid light has exactly the same PPFD in the 4x4' footprint directly below the lights. Attached are two charts_one showing how the PPFD varies according to the distance the lights are above the canopy. For instance the SPYDRX PLUS lights produce 594 PPFD at 18" over every square foot in the 16 Sq.ft area below each light (other models of lights are also listed). The dimmer chart shows how the PPFD can be varied by using the dimmer. The Intensity chart shows the optimum PPFD for different stages of cannabis.
I've got tons of information on lighting if you'd like more.
I'd recommend getting lights from a manufacturer that publishes the PPFD their lights produce at specific heights and a "map" that visually shows how much falloff there is beyond the dimensions of the light itself when hanging over the canopy at specific heights as well.
Affordability is also, obviously, an influencing factor too.
And of course if its in your budget you should get a light/s that will provide between 100 to over 600 PPFD for every stage of growth.
I've found that my SPYDRX plus at 12-18" (594-745PPFD) is perfect for flowering.
Hope that helps. Happy growing!
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dropinbiking
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Everything in a grow needs to be in sync and doing well. You can't just blast a plant with 1,000+ PPFD. If ANYTHING is off at all, they will burn up and not soak up the energy. If nutrients are wrong they will starve or burn up the leaves trying to consume the light. Or simply run out of oxygen. 750 is a good sweet generally safe spot. See a lot of people nuking plants with too much light
ZigZag
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Yeah, I agree with dropinbiking_ I've found that around 700-800 PPFD is really nice for flowering. If you go over 1000 PPFD then you'll need to supplement with CO2 to notice any real difference. Tolerance is also an important factor_that's an issue I've had to deal with too when growing different strains under the same lights. But I like the variety, so I just deal with it by adjusting the height and or intensity of the lights. The one good thing about my grow space is that it has a 9' ceiling so I can get the lights up pretty high if necessary..
Yes_ the "reproductive" is for flowering.
If I'm working at home then I might raise and lower the lights for a few hours_ give them a blast of more intense light, then back it off. Just have to be careful.
I like to keep my lights at full power for the last 4 weeks because the higher the PPFD the deeper your light penetrates.
If you see any signs of light burn on the leaves or worse on the buds (the pistils will get bleached out....kinda "albino"_like)- then back off the lights or decrease intensity.
And of course there is the issue of genetics.....I've had the same strain express itself differently in height, cola formations, maturity, etc.
But then that's just part of the experience, for me anyway!
Yes_ the "reproductive" is for flowering.
If I'm working at home then I might raise and lower the lights for a few hours_ give them a blast of more intense light, then back it off. Just have to be careful.
I like to keep my lights at full power for the last 4 weeks because the higher the PPFD the deeper your light penetrates.
If you see any signs of light burn on the leaves or worse on the buds (the pistils will get bleached out....kinda "albino"_like)- then back off the lights or decrease intensity.
And of course there is the issue of genetics.....I've had the same strain express itself differently in height, cola formations, maturity, etc.
But then that's just part of the experience, for me anyway!