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Happy Birthday Jesus

I don't know about all that, might be fact and might not, the important part is that we believe! I would much rather believe and find out I was wrong than not believe and find out that I should have and now it's too late. However you bring yourself to believe , that's the important thing, whether by cannabis or not! Jesus is the Lord!
 
I personally think this is getting into one of the 2 topics that destroys civilizations....being politics and religion. Ugh...i cant say more without being a dick so im going to stop there.
 
Sonnyhad, I have a question: Can you CHOOSE to believe? I wish I could believe because I think it would make my life a lot happier, but I'd be a total liar if I said I believed...
 
Tersky, politics and religion don't kill people; people do. Freud said that aggression destroys civilization, so if aggression (and greed and a desire to control people) is behind the masks we call politics and religion, I agree with you. I think some folks here are talking about spirituality (which I believe is revealed in how how we behave towards others) and others may be talking about religious institutions.
 
point taken. Guess I only take things personally if i choose to take them personally. Holidays are not my favorite time. I might be a little grumpy. Sorry if i offended.
 
You didn't offend at all, Tersky. I usually have a hard time this time of year--it brings up a lot of PTSD related to my family--but this year I didn't. But I say it's ok to hate the holidays, it's ok to be alone on holidays (I was on Xmas and I will be on the 31st), and it's ok to be grumpy!!! this is all part of the human condition. And look at it this way: aren't you so fucking glad you're not Trump???!!!! You are a good person!!
 
No offense taken Tersky! I had a daughter die on Christmas 8 years ago, so that is always hanging over the day. But I have had plenty of good things happen to try and lift the spirits and try to overcome the depression. Alltatup, I also relate very well to PTSD. Without our gardens the anxiety would have killed me!
 
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