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[Bluey]

Problem thread here

https://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum/growing-community/616827-ratty-looking-early-buds#post617022

DLI 40 to 42 on autos EC 1.9 bloom w/silica & calmag
DLI on front photo 34 (PPFD 640) EC 1.6 veg w/silica & calmag
Advanced seedling 320 PPFD EC 0.5
Little sativa 275 PPFD EC 0.4

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

I get alll bent out of shape when the temps go over 22 C Just seems anything above that and i start getting heat stress. Not on all cultivars but a lot of the indica heavy ones that i like.

 

[Bluey]

EC bloom 1.6/1.7 calmag to 1.9 on the 4 autos
EC veg & calmag to 1.6 on the large photo
​EC veg & calmag 0.8 large seedling photo
EC veg 0.4 tiny seedling (mutated photo)
All with silica at same ratio of base nutes
DLI autos 40 to 44
DLI photo about 42
Large seedling PPFD 370
Tiny seedling PPFD 275

An issue with the back left auto. Looks like N toxicity showing on bud leaves presenting as curling downwards across both planes. It's not too bad but it will be slowing growth. The rest look pretty good

Pics of problem linked here https://forum.growweedeasy.com/foru...42-time-to-show-your-grow?p=617341#post617341

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

Question...... How long do you use silica for? Veg? Bloom? Finish? I'm curious because the 3 plants that I gave silica all the way through until like week 6 of bloom, the vape made me cough a lot(now it could have been improper dry and cure because I didn't have a dehumidifier at the time) I noticed with the last 4 plants, I gave them silica only until they stopped the stretch and then cut it off. I have a bottle of TPS silica. They recommended 2-4ml per gallon. I only use 1-2ml for 4L because the soil has silica from the rock dust, and the diatomaceous earth flour. I'm just using it because I don't want it to go to waste.

I wonder if you noticed any of that with the silica.

 

[Bluey]

The cough will be caused by less than ideal dry/cure most likely.

I am phasing out the silica now and about 4 weeks prior to harvest won't add any..

I'm currently managing a bit of N toxicity on 1 possibly two plants and a calmag, likely manganese deficiency on 3 of them, all very minor but difficult to manage given I'm supplementing with calmag atm and EC at 1.9 but no nute burn

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

What kind of cal mag? I have 2 different ones.....GH cal mag which is a nitrite therefore has nitrogen. The other is the TPS Cal mag oac which is carbonate based so no nitrogen. But it's also got all the micronutrients. It's really good shit. I foliar once or twice a week during veg with it. The plants seem to love it. When I was using the GH one, you saw, I was getting lots of nitrogen toxicity. Maybe using a different cal mag would work better? None nitrite based.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

Yeah this last 2 days and cures have been much better with the dehumidifier and humidifier. The environment is more constant and I always get a 10 to 13 day dry now. Later the smoke is so smooth and the flavor so sharp like the UG. Man I never tasted bud like this. Unique terp profile but I also did everything right so it came out perfect. That's the bar now. Gotta beat it.

 

[Bluey]

The calmag I am using has a small amount of total N's.

It's all I could find that was compatible with my base that doesn't cause pH instability. It's 1.0.1

Breakdown is g/L prior to dilution is
N 41.7
K 34.2
Cal 20
Mg 10
Fe 0.1

I need an N free one as you say

 

[Bluey]

I'm looking at the one you use. Being organic may have benefits re pH stability.here

 

[Bluey]

I'm well into flower now on these autos so probably a bit late but I'll keep searching for an N free calmag

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

You know that's exactly what I thought originally too. Because they do have Cal mag with 2% nitrogen then they have the 1% nitrogen which you would think wouldn't be as harsh as the 2% but it still seems to overload some plants with nitrogen. If you remember my pe6ople punch Auto from 3 grows ago. I was giving her the GH cali magic and The nitrogen toxicity covered up the fact that she was having a calcium deficiency and screwed up that majestic plant. Ever since I got the TPS one ... It's been smooth sailing. Not to mention I think the TPS one also has some manganese and some other less common micronutrients in there which I think you mentioned you needed. Yeah once I learned about the difference between the carbonate and the nitrate based Cal mags, I switched to the carbonate right away. It's just as good without the nitrate turning into ammonia and then into nitrogen. The only real way to fix it is to give less A nutrient because you can't give less cal mag.... Then you'll end up with Bud rod and problems during Bloom if you do that

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

I got an email that Dr Bruce bugby is opening registration for his classes in Utah State..... If only I had $2,000 to spend.... I'd take that course in a heartbeat. So annoyed I thought I was going to get better tax returns I would have definitely taken the class..... So sick of working construction It's not even about the work is the kind of people that I have to work with I want to get away from this field.

 

[Bluey]

The slow one with the N toxicity appears to be slowly recovering rather than dying so that's good. I dropped the calmag with the N from its diet and increased the flower nutes to EC 2.1 pH 6.2. I didn't flush as I didn't want to shock her too much


The other 3 are doing great, one is showing a manganese deficiency on a dozen leaves but it's not bad, even so I've reduced the calmag a bit and upped the flowering nutes as I want to reduce N EC 2 pH 6.15

Ive reduced the calmag foliar spray as I get it on everything, the most advanced one budlet wise is getting DLI 45 down to 42 on the others.

Bit late but I need to lollipop, those that Ive failed to accidentally break off whilst watering, and remove the lower branches of the buds that won't make much to focus energy now on top buds and introduce some more far & a bit of IR.


The photoperiod OZ x SD is steaming along but what it doesn't realise is it is going to be chopped badly for some clones and it really needs a haircut. It has pretty well spaced internodes for cloning, as recommended, but the top will be a large clone. It's very healthy. VEG + CALMAG EC 1.6 DLI 38 pH 5.95


The seedling photoperiods, well one is no longer a seedling @ 8" across and will get topped soon, WW x, EC 1.0/1.1 PPFD 375 pH 5.9. The other is growing slowly but doing fine now, sativa. EC 0.4 PPFD 280 pH 5.9



Daytime temps 24.5⁰C to 26.5⁰C RH 55% to 60%, nightime temps 22⁰C to 23⁰C, RH 60% to 70% for a VPD around 1 +/- 10% or so on 18/6 schedule, light breeze in room

I am of course running out of room and need a bigger one. I need to spread these out more and thin them which means there will be very little room for me to fit in there as well.

 

[SoOrbudgal]

Looking great Bluey i'm counting this week for mine being the first week of flower. Yours are nice an green color healthy. Man fella i got these 2 really healthy Slurricane clones growing fast while the other clones are slowly rooting in. It's hard watching an waiting to see if they'll form into plants, my enviornment is pretty null of being perfect for clones. I kinda lost my touch with it but i still gotta hope they'll grow. I have 7 cuts now plus 2 good ones.

 

[Bluey]

I plan on cloning that photo OZ x and when I do my grow room humidity will be low with a quite high VPD so I need it in another room setup. I dont think it will work in there moving forwards.

 

[Rootsruler]

All cultivars are different in what they like but 22C is too cold IMO. I regularly run my grows between 27c and 28c. I've run the same cultivar at 24c - 25c and saw less growth and smaller flower volume.

 

[Bluey]

My sativas I grow love it warm during late veg and early flower, they thrive in the heat, and pack on the growth. Later in flower I have to drop the temps for them to be happy and put on big buds.

These autos I'm not sure about, first time growing them, so took a middle of the road approach. They are handling quite a bit of light but nowhere near the levels my sativas soak up, If I went over 44 or 45 DLI at a stage of growth a week ago they will be exhausted a couple of hours before lights out and droop badly but they are handling it fine now, no droop.

 

[Bluey]

My sativas I grow love it warm during late veg and early flower, they thrive in the heat, and pack on the growth. Later in flower I have to drop the temps for them to be happy and put on big buds.

These autos I'm not sure about, first time growing them, so took a middle of the road approach. They are handling a nice bit of light but nowhere near the levels my sativas soak up, If I went over 44 or 45 DLI at a stage of growth a week ago they would be exhausted a couple of hours before lights out and droop badly but they are handling it fine now, no droop or going to sleep too early.

What is interesting is the N stress I caused to one of them appears to have brought on early trichomes. Still stressed but it has improved.

 

[Bluey]

Gave 2 a trim today..mostly lollipopped, the mutant and the tallest one

Left the one in the back corner alone. Still hasnt recovered from N toxicity but the buds are growing slowly, top bud is the slowest and worst. Flower +Si to 2.1 EC 38 DLI

Didn't touch the other one, showing a bit more rust spots. Have reduced CalMag with N to half on all 3, bloom + Si to EC 2 + calmag to EC 2.1 DLI 42 to 45 and reducing Si to all, about â…” strength

 

[Bluey]

...... and lollipopped the last two autos today