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Decarboxylator machine

ZigZag I had to go do some more reading on this: the reason oil/fat or alcohol are necessary with edibles is because they both infuse (like Kool Aid in water) and break down all the cannabinoid molecules, which makes for efficient absorption and digestion.

So I wonder if the cannabinoids etc. are first infused in oil/alcohol and then used for cooking if it's going to work more efficiently? Cause part of the work is already done--it's been extracted.

On the other hand, if you decarb bud and use the whole bud to cook with, you get all the medicine. But your digestive system--starting with chewing--will have to do more work to get that extraction/break down going. Whenever I eat the leaves, I always chew the crap out of them.

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I have some coconut oil I got for this reason, but just haven't messed with it. Sounds like a near future experiment. Thanks for the tip.
Sounds like the stuff we want needs to in solution (dissolved) and just just a suspension (like it appears glycerin makes).
 
Alltatup_I haven't experimented enough yet to really have any idea what's affecting what as far as potency is concerned. But using the decarbed dry ice hash infused directly into an oil or just cooked in an edible with some fat in it is better one way or the other than using bud. I've found out that its about twice as effective. I tried using one of those potency calculators but I don't think the results were all that accurate. Too many variables. Especially if I've made the dry ice hash with more than one strain. Also buds from one plant of the same strain can be more or less potent. Since I can get ever clear here then I've stuck with that for the most part as it does seem to be much more effective_ especially for tinctures .Never tried the glycerin.
Jason_You should try the coconut oil. I've got the best results using decarbed dry ice hash and infusing it in a crock pot for about 6-8 hrs.
Also_ one thing I'm going to do from now on when using bud or dry ice hash is to strain it through one of the bubble hash screens _ the 160 micron size. This works awesome_ much better than cheesecloth or a metal strainer. Doesn't let anything through so the oil is very clean with no vegetable matter. Even with the dry ice hash which was run through a 25-70 micron screen when I made it, comes out clean. The dry ice hash also has much less MJ taste too.
Works great with oil or alcohol.
Just discovered this when I finished a batch of oil and found out I didn't have any cheesecloth! So decided what the heck_ I have this screen/filter I never use so why not?
easy clean up too_ just turned the bag inside out and ran it under hot water then put in the washing machine. Its reusable too!
Oh yeah_ I also cut off most of the nylon part of the bag so it easily fit over the top of a bowl without a bunch of excess making it easier to work with, much easier to clean too.
Cheers to all and thanks for the info!
 
Thanks for that post ZigZag! You are moving us, or at least me, down the field. The hash thing is something I have not done, but with this last harvest of Blue Glue, its looking more interesting. The tri's coming off this stuff is like a sand storm.
I would hesitate to put Lift decarb'd hash into a hot bath for hours and hours. Low temp melt, OK, but anything approaching decarb temps and I think there's something to be lost there. After the Lift, I would be careful about more heat.
I think I'll look at some screens. Lift decarbo some flower, screen and let the results soak in coconut oil. No race. When the yellow sand dissolves, time to eat.

alltatup, you're right about glycerin. I think its getting positive posts and ink from people that can't tell when the high octane effects they should get, aren't there. Maybe they're "sensitive" like my wife, and are happy with some fraction of effect. I want strong effects, then alter or lower the dose.

This thread is working out well. Good info and people are sharing and benefiting. That's as good as it gets.
 
I just figured out how to get back to this post_OK _ here's where I got the potency calculator_ also have some good recipes too.
This calculator might work better for those who have less variables than me_ I often use more than one different strain when making dry ice hash since I use the popcorn buds and trim from the same harvest, and i usually have at least two strains to work with.Kinda lazy but it works for me cuz I can make a bunch of it in one sitting instead of multiple ones.
here goes-
www. cannabischeri.com
 
Yeah the concentrates are great--sometimes I can't believe that I am now making what I used to pay so much for. And it's so much better.
 
Like you say, very interesting journey for each person to find what works best for him/her.

Don't let those triches get away!
 
It sounds like that Blue Glue will make some really nice edibles_ and probably some really nice rosin if you try that. I've found that Indica dominate strains make the best rosin. I just tried some tincture I made from some decarbed rosin. Whoa! that stuff is strong. Word of warning start with very small amount. The tincture I usually make requires about a dropper full for an effective dose, but with the rosin only about a 1/4 of a proper was required! I haven't noticed any reduction in potency for the 6-8 hrs in the cooker but I run it at 160 degrees since the hash has already been decarbed you don't need the heat for that, just helps infuse the terpenes but doesn't seem to "cook" them.
 
I mixed sugar leaves n larfy buds from 8 strains, decarbed it all in my Nova and made tincture, which was strong. Then I evaporated the everclear and made oil, which I store in the freezer. I call it my 8 ball. A rice grain of that under the tongue is very strong. I feel like a mad scientist in my laboratory. 👩🏾‍🔬👩🏾‍🔬👩🏼‍🔬👩🏿‍🔬👩🏻‍🔬
 
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alltatup_ no kidding! I think I might try that....did you heat the tincture to reduce the ever clear? The oil sounds good too! especially for times when you want to be "discrete" :~)
 
So have you compared the MBM unit to the mighty fast? I like the mighty for its design . Haven’t looked at the MBM as much but I thought the mighty was larger and mor versatile... easy to clean too!!
 
The seal isn’t perfect, but it helps. The lid can pop from time to time and you don’t want to touch it while in operation. There is some heat involved and you don’t want to burn yourself. Just the inside of the unit. The outside is safe to touch. I was resting it in a larger cardboard container to keep any additional smell from escaping. Because it was minimal this does the trick.
 
I believe they rebranded to be able to ship to all states. Once your product is associated with cannabis it can’t cross state lines where cannabis and manufacture of cannabis consumables is legal. Least that’s what I was told.
 
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ZigZag No, I didn't use any more heat. Which is why I got the Nova: to use as little heat as possible, to preserve as much integrity of the cannabinoids and terpenes, etc. as possible. I put the tincture in a pan, covered with some gauzey material to keep out the dust, and blew the fan across it. The weather was cold, so I stuck it in the spare bathroom and opened the window to release the fumes.
 
So here is an idea.

It seems current practice is to decarb, screen to hash then infuse hash with oil using low heat.
What if......screen first, mix resulting hash with oil of choice, put in appropriate container THEN decarb in the Lift.
Why? It would eliminate the second heat/infusion cycle. Infusion would happen at the same time decarb happens.

Thoughts?
 
been thinking about a heated lab beaker stirrer to evaporate alcohol. saw a guy do it on youtube. Seemed pretty efficient and perhaps a bit faster than plain evaporation.
 
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