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DingusKhan
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Exactly! That's the point I was making, bleach (and tap water chlorine) evaporates away if you let it sit out in a bucket for a few days, faster if you aerate with a bubbler.
The bleach simply has a stronger flavor than peroxide, therefore peroxide is better in an industrial setting where they want to wash and get back to production NOW while it's still wet.
If you fill your bleachy buckets with water and aerate (with air stones that soaked in bleach), all that chlorine will just blow off with the bubbles. and you can mix in all your additives the following day. No bleach residue at all.
The bleach simply has a stronger flavor than peroxide, therefore peroxide is better in an industrial setting where they want to wash and get back to production NOW while it's still wet.
If you fill your bleachy buckets with water and aerate (with air stones that soaked in bleach), all that chlorine will just blow off with the bubbles. and you can mix in all your additives the following day. No bleach residue at all.
Woodsman67
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I thought I put it in there, when I clean my hardware, scissors, cups, whatever, I use peroxide. Just prior to cutting I wipe scissors with alcohol swab and allow it to dry. Peroxide is my go to for gardening, I have skin reactions to bleach and IF (huge maybe could might happen, not likely) there is any form of ammonia, left over from natural sources, it could mix and create mustard gas. So there is my paranoia with bleach. I love the idea of using a dishwasher though. The more you share the more we all learn! Love this group
Toker1
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With all due respect, that’s simply not true. Alcohol is used to sanitize food contact surfaces in food process/manufacturing.
It’s required by law to be used to sanitize all food contact surfaces. If these surfaces are not sanitized, people can get sick from the final products. Reason being is that bleach needs to be rinsed with water, and h2o2 breaks down into water. Stagnant water in a food plant is illegal because it promotes fungal growth. Alcohol evaporators off the surface and doesn’t leave any water film behind. So no risk of fungal contamination after surface has been wiped clean.
It’s required by law to be used to sanitize all food contact surfaces. If these surfaces are not sanitized, people can get sick from the final products. Reason being is that bleach needs to be rinsed with water, and h2o2 breaks down into water. Stagnant water in a food plant is illegal because it promotes fungal growth. Alcohol evaporators off the surface and doesn’t leave any water film behind. So no risk of fungal contamination after surface has been wiped clean.
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Toker1
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The pH also affects a chlorine solution’s efficacy, with chlorine solutions being most effective at pH levels around 6.5. At a lower pH, the chlorine solution can be corrosive to materials and surfaces. Chlorine’s effectiveness drops very quickly as pH rises above neutral pH of 7. So it’s way more temperamental to use. Lastly, chlorine is corrosive and a skin irritant, its use poses its own potential health hazards when used by laboring staff members.
Toker1
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Once again not true... chlorine as a gas will evaporate but not chloramines (commonly found in drinking water). The only way to remove chloramines is by RO or filter them out. They do not evaporate.
https://purewatertech.com/corporate/chloramines-drinking-water-safe-harmful/
https://purewatertech.com/corporate/chloramines-drinking-water-safe-harmful/
Toker1
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Let’s be clear here there is a reason hospitals disinfect human skin with alcohol and not bleach. Have you ever had bleach rubbed on your skin before they give you a shot?
https://nzhealthe.co.nz/knowledge-index/alcohol-as-disinfectants
https://nzhealthe.co.nz/knowledge-index/alcohol-as-disinfectants
LurkingInTheGrass
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Has anybody tried sodium percarbonate? (Oxiclean is one packaged brand name)
sodium percarbonate is referred to as 'solid' peroxide.
peroxide and alcohol - my go to cleaner and disinfectant. So I have been trying to find a cheaper method to obtain peroxide
I just havent acquired any yet (may just bite the Amazon bullet and spend $20)
back when I worked in the bar, we had to clean the draught lines and taps regularly
Dont remeber the name (diver something?)
anyway, it was a day long event to clean 1 tap and line - because of all the rinsing needed after a 1-2 hour 'soak' with the stuff (drain the lines of beer, fill the lines, soak, purge with air, purge with gallons of water, purge with air again, purge with more water, then fill with beer and purge until you could pour a proper one
sodium percarbonate is referred to as 'solid' peroxide.
peroxide and alcohol - my go to cleaner and disinfectant. So I have been trying to find a cheaper method to obtain peroxide
I just havent acquired any yet (may just bite the Amazon bullet and spend $20)
back when I worked in the bar, we had to clean the draught lines and taps regularly
Dont remeber the name (diver something?)
anyway, it was a day long event to clean 1 tap and line - because of all the rinsing needed after a 1-2 hour 'soak' with the stuff (drain the lines of beer, fill the lines, soak, purge with air, purge with gallons of water, purge with air again, purge with more water, then fill with beer and purge until you could pour a proper one
Woodsman67
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This failed. Probably first time I had 100% failure since I actually learned the basics. My big issue is in the media used, but thanks to all the ideas I've been exposed to, this is getting a revamp this week. Stay tuned, will try again next week.
DingusKhan
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Aw man, I'm sorry to hear that. What is the media you're using? It looks like some sort of potting or seedling mix. I don't think it's a medium problem because of all the sharing from people, especially JDU who have excellent results from poking their cuttings into cups of generic seedling mix. I myself have 2 tiny cuttings each in seedling mix and mushroom compost as experiments because of the ideas shared here. They aren't rooted yet, but they are healthy looking, not wilted or dead, and I think they are actually starting to get bigger.
Have you tried the methods you're using on plants in veg? I know you said you've been reveging and cloning for years without loss of potency in your buds, which I LOVE! But it might be easier to clone a plant that has not yet in flower.
I've had very good luck without much effort, maybe because I've always cloned before flipping. Do you have any preflippers to try it on?
Have you tried the methods you're using on plants in veg? I know you said you've been reveging and cloning for years without loss of potency in your buds, which I LOVE! But it might be easier to clone a plant that has not yet in flower.
I've had very good luck without much effort, maybe because I've always cloned before flipping. Do you have any preflippers to try it on?
DingusKhan
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No one suggests adding chloramines to your bucket for dealing with root rot. The article you reference even confirms that BLEACH evaporates away and leaves NO residue.
Don't use chloramines for root rot. Use bleach instead.
Also that article is a sales promotional for a water filter company trying to create a new horrible toxin for you to worry about so that you will buy their expensive filter that really does NOTHING to keep you safe from toxins.
So yes, TRUE.
Don't use chloramines for root rot. Use bleach instead.
Also that article is a sales promotional for a water filter company trying to create a new horrible toxin for you to worry about so that you will buy their expensive filter that really does NOTHING to keep you safe from toxins.
So yes, TRUE.
Obi-Wan
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Tap water generally has a pH of 7, are you suggesting that people would be adding bleach to a solution that is more acidic such as a nutrient solution? I suggested using bleach in a solution of water as a disinfectant for a cloning reservoir and equipment. The reason alcohol is used in wipe form prior to injections is again because it dries quickly and it is less likely to irritate skin. In hospital situations where quick drying isn’t a concern they use iodine as it is a far more effective disinfectant. The small equipment such as scalpels, scissors, and anything else made of medical grade stainless steel goes through a 2 step disinfectant process that includes heat in excess of 200 degrees Fahrenheit followed by an iodine based sanitizer.
Toker1
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Ph in tap water varies considerably. I have seen it hovering around 8 by my area. We get good clean tap water here.
In my cloning equipment I use nothing but plain tap water. I clean the equipment with hydrogen peroxide and/or alcohol. To each is their own. As long as we are happy with the results, no problem. 😤
In my cloning equipment I use nothing but plain tap water. I clean the equipment with hydrogen peroxide and/or alcohol. To each is their own. As long as we are happy with the results, no problem. 😤
DingusKhan
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Here are my cuttings taken on New Year's morning, still standing tall, but no roots visible from their substrates. I'm trying a few different things here, especially since I happen to be out of cloning collars. I thought I had a bin of them somewhere.... I must have smoked'm.
The bubble bin has 2 inch net cups filled with an assortment of hydroton balls, perlite, and rockwool. I meant to use a rooter too, but ran out of cuttings. I also put some tiny clones in little cups of mushroom compost and seedling mix. Several cuttings went into either jiffy pellets or biorooters.
So far, none have them have roots showing, but it will take extra time since I have no cuttings with bare roots. But they are all upright, not wilting, and some even look a little bigger than when I cut them, but that may be wishful thinking. I'm pretty sure everytime I lift them out of the humidity tray it resets them to the beginning.
But not dead yet is good.
The bubble bin has 2 inch net cups filled with an assortment of hydroton balls, perlite, and rockwool. I meant to use a rooter too, but ran out of cuttings. I also put some tiny clones in little cups of mushroom compost and seedling mix. Several cuttings went into either jiffy pellets or biorooters.
So far, none have them have roots showing, but it will take extra time since I have no cuttings with bare roots. But they are all upright, not wilting, and some even look a little bigger than when I cut them, but that may be wishful thinking. I'm pretty sure everytime I lift them out of the humidity tray it resets them to the beginning.
But not dead yet is good.
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FunkyButtLovin
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Here's my high end scientific cloning laboratory.
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SoOrbudgal
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LOL trash collectors. I swear on my pups lives this is true...…..I use to many years ago go " dumpster diving" with a Dr. who was a hoarder/collector of anything. He was my hero for reusing/repurposing.
DingusKhan
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The first of my cuttings from New Years has graduated to her cup. Mango was an 8 inch cutting on New Years, dipped in a cut aloe leaf, and poked into a bio rooter. BigBud was the next to root using the same technique.
All of the clones have looked happy and unwilted, but no roots in the bubble bin of net cups with perlite. It may be that the water was too cold, no room on the warming pad under the humidity tray. I emptied the humidity dome, transfered the cuttings to either cloning collars or the seedling mix and compost cup mini cuttings went into a costco rotisserie chicken cloning tray.
All of the clones have looked happy and unwilted, but no roots in the bubble bin of net cups with perlite. It may be that the water was too cold, no room on the warming pad under the humidity tray. I emptied the humidity dome, transfered the cuttings to either cloning collars or the seedling mix and compost cup mini cuttings went into a costco rotisserie chicken cloning tray.
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FunkyButtLovin
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The KFC cloner has done it again! It really can be this easy folks. I literally took this fast food bowl from the garbage, washed it, filled it with 6.5 pH water, cut holes in the lid and dropped fresh cut shoots in. Then I set it on the floor getting very weak spillover lighting and never changed the water. This one is White Widow that was cut on January1st.
