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Cases of Vaping-Related Lung Illness Surge

Let's get away from the fact that VG and PG are food grade. At this point the argument is whether or not they're safe to vape, not are they safe to eat. No, we don't know the long term effects. But for whatever reason VG/PG are getting the majority of the blame, although there are other chemicals also said to be questionable. I'll repeat myself by saying cigarettes kill in the long run. At the moment, e-cigs are killing people now and we're not sure why.
My hat's off to the FDA and USDA for trying to make products safer. Like e-cigs and beard dye. If the animals my beard dye were euthanized compassionately after having their beards dyed, I will keep being a gingerbeard instead of a blandbeard hipster.
 
VG and PG are available in more than just food grade, and I wouldn’t recommend vaping either VG or PG in food grade...it’s not pure enough to be inhaled safely. Lab Grade also called pharmaceutical grade VG and PG are pure enough to be used in medical vaporizers and approved by the FDA for that purpose. As far as people be killed by e-cigarettes, I am unaware of a current or past case where the e-juice from a nicotine only product is solely to blame for someones death, exploding batteries are a different story. From the many articles that I have read it appears that those who have become sick and or died have either used THC based vapes only or THC and nicotine based vapes. I think we can all agree it’s not the THC!! So that leaves the additives in the products, if it were vg or pg we would have seen cases of Lipiod Pneumonia popping up long ago as people have been vaping those products for close to a decade or more. On the other hand the cannabis industry has been changing the carrier liquids it uses in Vapes just about every year going from pg to peg400 to MCT and now to a Vitamin E acetate derivative. The Vitamin E acetate based carriers hit the market in late 2018 and really gained popularity in early 2019. Now we are starting to see cases of Lipiod pneumonia, which is a known reaction to inhaling Vitamin E acetate. I’m all for the government doing whatever it can to make sure kids don’t vape anything, but let’s not punish all forms of vaping simply because vaping one specific substance is really dangerous.
 
Maybe you're hitting it. E-juice has changed over the years. New chemicals. Several deaths, recently, are attributed to the chemicals in e-cigs. I'm sure you did research on the product you make, Obi-wan. You have something that works for you. I have never liked any type of vape pen. I hack when I inhale. Perhaps I'm one of those who would have a nasty reaction. It's something I'm not interested in finding out.
I'm a devil to some folks because I blast my own weed with butane. Since I don't have a vacuum oven I'm dabbing Satan's turds and there's a good chance I'm going to blow up my neighborhood.
 
Found this tonight on an article on Leafy

a guy in Wisconsin was arrested for illegal manufacture of 3000 to 5000 vape cartridges per day....
 
Ejuice= nicotine based liquid used in an e-cigarette

THC Vape distillate = THC based vape mixture used with a THC vape pen

They are 2 different products and shouldn’t be categorized together. Doing so only adds to the disinformation that is being spread and further obscured the truth.

Can you link the stories that you are referring to that claim people are dying or suffering from Lipoid pneumonia as a result of using Ejuice and or e-cigarettes without also using a THC Vape Distillate?
 
I don't get it. I'm giving you props for keeping things simple by only using VG and or PG and doing your research.

Before I post any links, please remind me where I talked THC pens and categorizing them with e-cigs or any mention I've made of "stories that you are referring to that claim people are dying or suffering from Lipoid pneumonia as a result of using Ejuice and or e-cigarettes without also using a THC Vape Distillate?" I've been talking about people dying from chemicals used in e-cigarettes. I've not given any examples or other mention of THC pens killing people, or THC killing people.
I said, "Several deaths, recently, are attributed to the chemicals in e-cigs." Never a mention of Lipoid pneumonia.
You said, "Now we are starting to see cases of Lipiod pneumonia, which is a known reaction to inhaling Vitamin E acetate."
I haven't doubted the legitimacy of using food grade PG/VG in food products. I've said, in effect, the legitimacy of using PG/VG for inhalation purposes has not been researched by anyone.
You are obviously passionate about what you make. I give you props for that, too.
 
You are correct, I am the one that mentioned Lipoid pneumonia, I did so because that is the diagnosis being given to the people that are falling ill and dying in this current epidemic. In every article that I have read the term e-cigarette is used interchangeably to describe anything that is vaped. To do so in this case only serves to spread the idea that all vaping is imminently dangerous. The reality is that vaping Vitamin E derivatives is imminently dangerous. Simply saying “ the chemicals in ecigs” creates a false generalized narrative that it is a widespread problem affecting all varieties of vaping products. I’m not trying to say that vaping is safe long term, as I said above we just don’t know yet. What I am saying is that the current epidemic that is creating the imminent danger, is the result of people buying and vaping counterfeit products containing a Vitamin E derivative. It is a specific product that nearly all good cartridge manufacturers have said should not be inhaled and it is being found in most all counterfeit THC distillate pens. Juul Labs is also experiencing a problem with counterfeit pods being produced.
There is one death associated with product from a legal dispensary in Oregon. This death has led to legal finger pointing between the manufacturer of the thickener used in the pen that says it had approval and the regulatory authority in Oregon that says the Vitamin E derivative should have been listed as an ingredient and wasn’t. Oregon dispensaries have contacted the manufacturers and started recalling all vape pens that are contaminated with the Vitamin E derivative.
 
Social media, including radio, TV, and print indict before the end of the story. Like you're saying, tobacco and THC vape pens are being categorized together. However, there is semi-responsible reporting that reports only that tobacco pens are thought to be making people sick and there is only a possibility THC pens are involved. People will choose to hear what they want to hear to back up their own opinion without hearing the whole story. When I hear 'e-cig' I automatically think cigarette. When I hear 'vape pen' I think weed. And I hear media using 'electronic cigarettes' more than 'e-cig' or 'vape pen'.
If it turns out THC pen manufacturers have added similar/same chemicals as the e-cigs, they should be treated the same way. A poison by any other delivery system is just as deadly.
I've read dispensary reviews where many people were saying the dispensary was selling refilled Stiiizys. Counterfeits are going to come out like counterfeit ecstasy pills and fentanyl laced heroin. I've mentioned before that we have to trust somebody at sometime. I have a product from a company I like. I stick with that unless I decide to get something high-end because I've come to trust it. We all have brands we like.
Something about the legality of making manufacturers quit producing, for now. If the government bans sales, they will be forcing companies out of business and jobs will be lost. Dispensaries will lose revenue. However big, small, evil, or charitable a company, it's going to be a hell of a legal thing if the ban happens. It just ain't 'merican.
Someone is going to have to prove the chemicals used in any vape pen are safe to inhale or find new ones that are. That will not be a quick or easy task. The FDA will have the final say. There is nothing wrong with a federal agency telling me not to use something because it's bad for me. Sure as hell the vape companies won't give me a heads up.
 
The pig in the White House, the FDA, and the CDC are all involved in preventing what's going on. Believe it or not. Like it or not. Accept they're trying to find out what the f is killing people and stop it. We'll get back to the good old days of non-poisonous vape products soon enough. No chemical or additive has been found to be causing this and that is what is being said. What is being said is that some chemical or combination of chemicals that are recently being added may or may not be causing people to get sick. Since we have a good idea of what chemicals go into any vape pen we can talk about and focus on those. If you've been using your product since the good ol' days, keep on trucking.

People who are still using a product that may contain a chemical that will cause a nasty death real quick like are fing doing it to themselves. Enough of humanity is willing to kill themselves with a product for a high or a 15% discount or a rebellious act so there will always be a black market. The original title of this thread is about vape related lung illness with the focus not being on THC pens. Just e-cigarettes. I'm super confused where this whole thing has wound up.

I'm unsubscribing to this one. It's making me too political... gingerbeard don't do politics. Dabs or no dabs. I'm here about growing weed.
 
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