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Gracey

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I don't know if GWE forum is the right place for this discussion. It's not about growing but GWE does have a recent tutorial on cannabutter, so.

After decarbing in the oven for years I just purchased a Nova decarber and wow. The hardest part about making edibles and such is getting the decarb consistent, now that's not a prob.

A surprise lesson I learned...I was under the impression that when you infuse everclear with cannabis that the trichomes broke down/dissolved in the alcohol. Under my new USB microsope I studied a bud before decarb, after decarb, and again after frozen infusion in everclear. To my surprise, the trichomes were still there. I tested the alcohol and it's got excellent potency, I tested the plant material and wasn't surprised that there were no effects. So I guess the cannabinoids were released into the alcohol but the structure of the trichomes is left behind. Who knew?

I am looking for information about sublingual infusions. Everclear is much too strong for under the tongue and burns. Oil doesn't work for me. Is anyone else looking for a better way? I recently became unable to smoke or vape so I'm on a mission to figure this thing out.

Anyone interested in sharing recipes, experiences, a nanoemulsion machine:) ?
 
I add 2ml Indica tincture to yogurt with a bit of decarbed bud a couple of hours before bedtime. Under the tongue is too much heat for me as well. But emulsified in the yogurt, delightful.
 

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I drop 10 to 12 ML in lemonade like just a shot worth or a bit more of it and just swallow it. I hate alcoholic drinks so I just do that to not taste the alcohol. Or I doit in kool aid or whatever orange juice you know what I mean?
 
Depending upon what state you are in, you may be able to get edible distillate, which you can find in flavors or you can go for RSO, which doesn't taste great and is the strongest form to consume Cannabis.
 
I have made tincture once before it turned out ok, I am unable to get ever clear the best I could get was Bacardi 151.
so I took 1 oz of bud and grinded it all up. Then you need to Decarb the bud (toast it until it’s a light brown kinda golden) then place bud into a mason jar and pour the alcohol in about one inch above the bud. I then give that a hot water bath, take the mason jar mix and place into a pot of warm water like 170F and cook the alcohol off. You should be left with soaking wet bud still take that and strain it with good quality coffee filter. Ever clear would be best. I used my tincture to make gummies and they worked however I’m not sure I got all the alcohol out I’m pretty sure there was a faint taste of booze nothing too over powering tho.
 
My wife’s preferred way of medicating is capsules. We use left over rosin chips and throw them into a crockpot with a jar or two or coconut oil to make the canna-oil. When she’s ready to make medicine she heats the canna-oil back up so it’s liquid and uses a pill maker press to make the capsules.
 
ChadWestport I have this syringe with LA Cheese, the pkg says Cannabis Oil CO2. It's clear, golden color, the syringe says for ingestion only. It's 76.25% THC, 0% THC-A - can it be put in a cartridge & vaped? (I put some RSO in a store-bought gummy last night and slept well)
 
Yes Puglover1 that sounds like the product I am thinking of. I know in WA, the Spoil'd brand makes a few popular options. I do prefer the Co2 extractions when it comes to cartridges. Here is the dosage math if they didn't fill you in at the store. If you bought a 1 gram syringe, that is 1000mg. THC is 76%, so you have 760mg of THC in the syringe. Thats a lot. In my state, edibles are limited to only 10mg per dose. To get that dose, you'll take a little more than a 10th of the syringe or said another way, a tenth of the syringe is equal to a 7.6mg dose of THC.
 
OK! I see lots of people have experimented. I bake and cook a lot and have added weed in various forms from baking half a lid in a box brownie mix in 76 to sprinkling nova decarbed over a salad yesterday (a new favorite). They all have their strengths but they also don't have the initial onset of high that you get from smoking or even vaping and I love that part. I want to use sublingually because it goes straight to the blood system bypassing the stomach but can't find a method that works. I am dubious about using oils even MCT as a carrier for sublingual, it doesn't work for me. I have no safety qualms or bad experiences cooking down the alcohol for rso my problem is it completely destroys any aesthetics in looks, smells, or tastes, plus I think you cook most of the thc out leaving cbn, which has its place for sure but not what I'm looking for.

At the moment I decarb, infuse with everclear, strain, then leave open to evaporate the alcohol or use it with the alcohol or somewhere in between. It depends on what I'm going to make with it. Or sometimes what it becomes dictates what I make out of it.:joy:

I want to make something that melts under your tongue and is absorbed by the pores there. Those pores I think absorb water base best but getting oil mixed in water is...well mixing oil and water. What I think was most successful this summer was when I used partially evaporated alcohol tincture as an extract in fudge. You can infuse sugar but you can't cook with it so hot that you destroy cannabinoids. Another success was making chocolate bark by adding lots of decarbed to melted chocolate then mixing, mixing till the pot is well saturated and the chocolate is tempered.

I don't mean to go on but like I said I can't smoke or vape anymore. It's a frigging tragedy:confused:, kinda
 
Yeah it’s got a few names. If you get on Amazon and search for capsule maker you’ll find this plastic press that makes 100 capsules at a time. They are cheap and well worth it. We also make salt supplements with it too.
 
Gracey I know what you’re talking about, I pretty much had to cut it out too about 12-15 years ago. Everything we’d get off the street was so damn harsh I just couldn’t do it. That’s why I decided to try and grow my own, TG that between quitting cigarettes a while ago and my weed tasting more.........mellow........ (not sure what the right word should be) that I was able to start again. Now that I’ve started again I’d say tragedy isn’t a strong enough word for if I had to stop again.
 
Have you tried a sublingual glycerin tincture? The glycerine will act as a transport vehicle for faster adsorption sublingualy. Start with an ethanol tincture. Evaporate off most but not all of the ethanol. Add glycerine. Make sure it is food grade, there is glycerine out there that is not food grade and is not safe to use. Heat in a reaction vessel with a stir bar. Stir as fast as you can for the glycerine viscosity. It will be thick when you start but will thin out when it heats up. Caution burn hazard don't splash it. Heat up to 122 *C and hold there for 28 minutes. This takes care of your decarb step- no need to do it to dry flowers. If you have an emulsifier use that after the stir in. What you are doing is trying to emulsify the oils extracted with the ethanol into the glycerine. The oil is not very soluble in glycerine, and therefore the concentration you can achieve with glycerine is somewhat self limiting. Using an emulsifier will help to mix the oil and glycerine but will only form an emulsion, not dissolution of the oil in the glycerine. They generally are expensive, and will not prevent the oil from eventually separating from the glycerine. That being said, the glycerine does increase adsorption rate. Eventually the oil may start to separate from the glycerine, just shake it up. You will have to experiment with the amount or flower you use. in general I find that 2% to 4% flower weight in grams to 100ml of glycerine (weight/volume percent) is a good starting point. BEWARE- that this in not an accurate representation of percent or the proper way to calculate percent. as the only active constituent from the flower that is remaining in the glycerine after filtration is the weight of the oils and terps extracted from the flower, you are throwing away the weight of the expended flower plant material. Your actual percent of the final product will be much lower. I just use this method as a reference point. Everything is relative, and so long as you keep records of how much flower you used to make how much volume, and what the effects were, you can reproduce your results with the only variable being the potency of your flower. Hope this helps. I tried to make this as detailed as possible with out over whelming. Let me know if there are further questions.
 
Yes that's helpful ckbrew, Thanks. I haven't tried glycerin but if it helps absorption sublingually I'm in. I didn't understand a lot of the lab equip and reactions science of which you speak but it seems that you know what I want to know. ha. What are the conditions to best absorb and how can I prepare? If it's a matter of emulsion how well for how long does the solution need to be mixed? And how far can a well stoked kitchen get me, I have some soy lecithin and a kitchen aid. :)
 
It's gotten to the point where I've tested myself and found I cough for a month if I take two little hits from joints, pipes, bong, plant vaporizer, plant vaporizer with ice water pipe, vape pens, ONE at a time, please, and the cannabis is good. For now I don't and I look for a replacement.
 
Apple cider vinegar! I've never heard that. It's a great tonic all by itself. I did just read that acidic substances can help with absorption. I wonder if that's why I've enjoyed the salads so much. I've been wanting to make gummies and small hard candies I could make tiny lemon drops. Maybe the acid will help the medicine absorb. Instead of the less efficient infusion with vinegar I can make an alcohol infusion dehydrate it and add vinegar. I really am liking the alcohol infusions then doing anything with it. I put everclear and cannabis in the freezer separately for 3 hours or more. Combine them shake 2 or 3 times during the next few hours or more. The color is golden not at all green.
 
I posted this a year ago...a bit windy but I think it may be of interest here. https://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum/growing-community/357429-decarb-firecrackers-and-canna-caps

I've since gone to ground flower in my caps without the carrier oil. I make sure to decarb and then grind fairly fine to fill the capsules easier. Using Oh's law in the link got me to a place I could kind of figure this stuff out. The firecrackers are a fun treat. Keep them away from kids and light users!

https://beyondchronic.com/2015/11/ohs-law-of-cannabis-edible-potency/

https://d3atagt0rnqk7k.cloudfront.n.../2018/04/19155014/Edibles-Dosing-Chart-v2.png

I had a longer/better post queued up but it disappeared so we're stuck with this one.
 
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