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​​​​​​​Yields and Grow Time with LED's and Super Soil / Water Only Soil

I never over water to the point of runoff. I am in cloth pots. I am super careful about over-saturating the pots. I am almost anally ridiculous about my care with these plants.
 
Apparently it’s not hard to overwater...we have visions of water leaking out of the bags but it’s a bit more complex. We use similar systems and when I cut back on water, subsequent crops had no sign of yellowing leaves until harvest. FWIW
 
Super soil can be a great way to go but of course there are many other factors involved. Not having to bother with any one factor of a grow means you may lack the effort or the time required to really pay attention to your plants. Remember anything worth doing is worth doing well. Trying to make it less complicated just makes it more complicated!

In terms of your lights all i have to say is those are another example of lights that are "self" certified...they have not undergone proper safety testing and lack the UL, CSA or ETL certification. For a light that is on at least 12 hours per day, It becomes a fire hazard.

Having said that, there are a crap load of shitty lights on the market all of which are trying to get a piece of the market share. There are a lot of different lights but the most important factor is how much full spectrum do they produce? Just because they look awesomely bright when you have them on means spit to cannabis. Cannabis thrives in full spectrum light more so than many other plants this is the main reason they typically produce higher yields when grown outdoors in soil. If you have poor lighting, you get small plants. Period.
 
Organic357 I say don’t get discouraged brother, I have been having issues with my plants not getting so big myself. I believe the reason why is the seeds are Aurora from Nirvana for some reason they hermie on me. I also grew Northern lights and Papaya on my first living soil grow and they were great so I fell in love the taste and smell is second to none. My issue I believe is overwatering for some reason I can’t get that right. So when you do that the plants tend to get yellow soon during flower. Main thing is use a mulch to keep the top layer moist. I did the first grows then I had an issue with thrips that threw me out of wack so I took all my mulch out and that’s when the top of soil started to dry out an big No No in living soil so I started to over water. My mistake for sure. This next run I have seeds from Humboldt, from Barney’s farm, and not sure what other breeders no more Nirvana for me. Actually to my surprise I have 2 freebies from nirvana (sativas) that grew really well and the 2 Auroras the tall one Hermies so I threw it away and the second runt produced some nice dense nuggs despite the fact that I overwatered them. We need to start a thread organics soil growers no bottled nutrients so we can all help each other out. Not trying to isolate bottled nutrients growers I’m just saying it would be nice so we can stick to one subject kinda like the solo cup challenge and other threads I can think of right now. Who’s in?
 
Sunlight...Yup!!
...I know I harp on it but I find it disgusting how many light manufacturers are willing to sacrifice safety in order to make a profit. Some lights may perform fine but any reputable manufacturer will get their product safety tested if they know how to survive in the market long term. Unfortunately now it's become a cutthroat industry and they all know first time growers will jump on inexpensive crap in the hopes that they can grow a commodity that is gaining in popularity the world over.

somebody should pin the cardinal rule on this board "you have to spend money to successfully grow weed, especially when it comes lighting"...except the Sun!!!
 
Organic soil can be great yes, but bear in mind unless it is a super soil it still needs some nutes after about 4-6 weeks IF you want bigger plants and more buds. For example, FoxFarm Ocean Soil, a beginner grower favorite, is organic but even the manufacturer states to use nutes after a time because the cannabis will use up all the nutes in the soil. In my opinion, if you just stick seeds in soil, water and forget then you are missing the true nature of growing weed easy......
 
Greenpassion, I hear you on the drooping. I am having the same issue with my KIS Organics water only soil. I was going to post to see in anyone else has experienced the following. My plants are very droopy in the morning, kind of like me before my first two cups of coffee. Lights go on at 04.30. By ~10.30 they are looking good and stay that way or get better until ~18.30 - 20.30 (6.30 - 8.30PM) when they start drooping again. I did read on kindsoil.com that you need to be sure that your plants are kept at 65℉ or above. I was not doing this.
 
I understand your point about the lights dilvish. Having said that I don't think that "self" certification is necessarily bad. I am aware of foods that are Kosher but the producers don't want to pay what they consider an expensive fee to have them certified as such. What attracted me to my Electric Sky 300's was that they were supposed to be a fuller spectrum and Nebula Haze and several forum users had used them with good results. Unfortunately we live in a time where many people are greedy and dishonest. There are large corporations that have been caught buying safety certifications and reviews on Consumer Reports. My problem was heat issues with HID's including my SunSystem 305 LEC's in a 5' x 5' Gorilla Grow Tent in an upstairs room on the SW corner of my house.
 
Thank you Cali. I am not really discouraged yet. It seems that there are some real issues with Nirvana Seeds. To Dilvish's comment I had my best results as far as yields with Fox Farm nutes and soil. I have been growing for 8 years. Initially I grew with bag seed under one fixture with four 2' T-5 switching out bulbs for veg and flower. I was always changing lights, nutes and soil to get better quality and higher yields. Initially I liked mixing up nutes, checking pH, etc. I compare it to a young man shaving for the first time and feeling like a grown up man. After awhile it becomes a chore. I would like to grow outside but that is not a good option for now. My thought is that there is great bud that grows in the wild without anyone giving the plants a constantly changing formula of nutrients. So I want to simplify my life by learning how to grow in super soil/water only soil. I know it can be done it will just take awhile to figure the tweaks to make it work to where I have an easily reproducible way to grow my medicine. I have recently learned three things I was doing wrong with my plants. There were giving Mammoth P daily, Earth Juice Hi-Brix Molasses frequently and letting my grow room temps fall below 65℉. There is some good information at http://www.kindsoil.com. I can’t say it is perfect but close enough. For example when one uses super or no water soil you may not need to add compost during year 1 but probably should re-amend when you reuse this kind of soil in subsequent years.
 
One more point as far as drooping I am reminded of when I was growing vegetables on my deck. They would start drooping at the end of the day, still be drooping in the morning and pick up by mid-morning. This was fairly frequent if I remember correctly. Also checkout the info at http://www.kindsoil.com. The say that additional nutes can cause issues. From their site:

Adding ANYTHING other than water: This happens a lot, growers get impatient and that feel they can "BOOST" the grow or simply don't trust the system. Our system works exactly as we state Adding anything to your water or grow pots can slow and hinder your growth. It can cause low production rates, slow growth, PH swings or even just cause the plant to lock out and die from overfeeding. Our system is designed to be a water only system from veg to harvest, DO NOT ADD ANYTHING other than carbon filtered water to your grow. Patience is key, your plant will grow vigorously and produce proper flowers as long as you allow the soil to work for you.

Q: Can we use chemical regimens or extra bloom boosters when running Kind Soil?

A: No we do not recommend it, everything your plant will require, is fully amended in the soil. adding or using anything other than water can and will generally cause many growth/production issues. Your plants will produce large dense full size colas with nothing more than Kind Soil and water.

Others in the forum seem to be getting good yields with water only-super soil. I think it is just a matter of fine tuning our grows.
 
dilvish i think the opposite. Stick the seed or clone in the soil. Water and forget is the true way to grow weed easy. Otherwise your trying to reinvent the wheel by adding man made fertilizers in bottles. When those chemicals interact you have to adjust this adjust that making things complicated for me anyways.
 
With no disrespect to other opinions, Cali, you made a powerful argument that makes sense to me. I also appreciate something else, namely your ability to state your proposition so concisely. Being part Irish my speech and writing are not nearly so succinct.
 
It seems as though there could be confusion with organic soil, super soil and living soil. I tend to believe we are saying super soil/living soil is the same And it’s organic. Fox Farm is not super soil nor living soil. It does not provide the same characteristics as the previous two and does need nutrients for a sustainable successful crop.
 
This too is true thank you for clarifying the types of soils. Personally i think anyone who believes that growing in soil is just add seeds and water is just denying themselves better yields and more potent buds. Little effort means little payoff...I think everyone who first started out knows this.

True that it is possible to do "soil, seed, water and forget" but growers who want the best final product know better....
 
Dilvish I owe you an apology. I missed the phrase in your comment, "unless it is a super soil". Farmall thank you for the clarification. I was agreeing with Cali with respect to super soil / living soil which I think we agree are the same. My first grows were with Fox Farm and I will confess I got some massive yields, including a top cola that was about the size of two beer bottles with their necks cut of if the makes sense. Unfortunately I have not been able to do that again but will also say that some seeds just contain impressive vigor/good genetics. I would agree that if using just Fox Farms organic soil it needs to be supplemented.
 
Greenpassion just a FWIW. When giving Earth Juice Hi-Brix Molasses my girls hardly droop except for 2 - 4 hours after being given water with the aforementioned molasses. I have been using 1 Tablespoon of it per gallon of filtered water.
 
Just wanted to pipe in here. No more problems with drooping at all. Just adding water and molasses to kind soil and no drooping whatsoever except for maybe about an hour right after I water! Lots of good information with you guys here on this post.!
 
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