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Yes, actually I would to.
I would do 3-4 manifolds, but the timing would be tight. 3 gallon fabric pots with Coco and 25% Perlite. Manifold plants and flip them in about 33 days from sprout, And I'd expect the space to end up about as crowded as mine is now.
Not sure if that is a good beginner's route, but we'll be here to help!
 
I'll have to do more researh on manifolding. Don't really get the concept of it just yet. I'll start the grow with scrog and move the out the auto when its time to flower the candy kush.
 
So here are two manifolds plants in a 32”x32” tent. These are short plants as the strain is. I don’t know how well you can see it but I trained them to go to the open area rather than towards each other or the side of the tent. Yield off those two plants wasn’t great, think I had my led too far away Got right around 50 grams each. Just wanted to kind of show you what I meant by training to the open area.
 

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You must also remember vegetation time plays a part on the desired plant number. Without any training which you typically find with sea of green, you would roughly find the following the ideal for a 4x4.

4 weeks veg (9-12 plants)

6 weeks veg (6-9 plants)

8 weeks (not ideal without plant training)

With plant training you would find the following to be ideal for a 4x4.

4 weeks veg (not ideal with plant training)

6 weeks veg (4-6 plants)

8 weeks veg (2-4 plants)

And so it goes without saying that if you want to reduce vegetation time and improve the utiliation of your light source, use more plants with less vegetation time. If you are limited on plant numbers or want to have less maintainence use less plants with longer vegetation time.

Each tent or light source has an ideal system to maximize the efficiency of the space and source. But usually this means more plants. So you usually have to compromise. For example. Campesion could have vegged for 6 weeks instead of 8 and be in a much better situation. He could of course use only 4 plants next time but he would miss out on the 2 weeks less time possibly saved with 6 plants.

I think the 2 plants with scrog is a good recommendation for a 7-8 week vegetation. As its been pointed out, a authentic scrog is where a plant is manipulated to grow across a horizontal trellis, where as a trellis where the plant just grows through and over the trellis, is just a support structure and not a genuine screen of green.

I am currently working on an article for plant training but my lungs are giving me troubles with pneumonia at the moment so i must rest.

Check my article out on using light efficiently.
 
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Dangerdan what kind of yields do you get from 9 to 12,4 week old, SOG plants in a 4x4 space vs having 2 to 4, 8 week old, well trained plants? Have a hard time seeing getting the same or better yields from the SOG. Maybe in hydrophonics it would be worth it but i soil would require lots of work to keep those pot sizes watered.
 
Porcha, I did LST for a couple of grows, then I started topping and I think I get better results with topping. After I top, I get 4 main colas coming up on each plant. I think if you do 4 plants with 4 main colas each, that would work good for your space.

How are you going to cool the space--especially during flower?
 
When a certain area of growth is obtained, the yield potential is the same. Only the time it takes to reach the stage of growth is different. Whether you spread the yield over few or many plants, the potential is mainly limited by the photosynthesis potential of the light source.

When you start with more plants, you start off with a higher potential of energy. This higher initial energy allows higher photosynthetic capacity early on. Imagine 2 plants with a specific surface area of leaves photosynthesizing say around 50umol of light. Compared to 9 plants. Thats 100umol of photosynthesis vs 450umol. So already your growth potential is higher because more initial energy is being produced from photosynthesis. Now this only really changes how long you have to stay in vegetation stage. As you can reach the desired stage of growth faster. But again, whether you use few or many plants. Once you reach an identicle surface area and canopy density, the potential for yield is also identicle. This is because the limitation of yield is not on the number of plants you have. Because you have already filled the canopy and capturing all possible light. But is limited by the light source.
 
Thank you Dangerdan. That really helps and makes perfect sense. I have always just made sure i used all available space/light. In the past I used more plants. I slowly just started growing fewer plants with a bit longer veg time. I really enjoy spending time with and training my plants. I can see why some others would rather just have more plants.
 
Redwasp said:
Thank you Dangerdan. That really helps and makes perfect sense. I have always just made sure i used all available space/light. In the past I used more plants. I slowly just started growing fewer plants with a bit longer veg time. I really enjoy spending time with and training my plants. I can see why some others would rather just have more plants.
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Yes, when using more plants to reduce vegetation time. You are matching your plants with the final light source. With less plants you want to match your light source to your plants. This is what i detail in my article on using light efficiently.

I have done both and find they both have their qualities, but like you i do enjoy the training aspect of growing. So much fun.
 
There's a hell of a lot of info to take in all at once. This will be my second grow. I'm starting to think I'm not on the right level to do sog or scrog either. It doesn't help that I have one auto and one not. Locrian99 said I could get away with 6 plants in a row with lst think I'm just gonna do 4 plants in there and see what happens. So here's the plan start 4 plants in there both the auto and non auto till flowering then move the auto outside. If this does not sound right let me know so I can think of something else. alltatup I've just got a couple fans one up top and another on the floor
 
That probably was kind of over whelming lol. I think 4 is a great choice it’s your 2nd grow don’t over complicate it. It’s really not that tough to get from seed to harvest. It’s the maximizing that complicates stuff. Just make sure your 4 plants stay in the footprint of that HPS you’re running. Are you using an exhaust system on that HPS to suck out the hot air and some sort of intake to bring air in? That light is going to produce a lot of heat.
 
Yea ill have a few different types of fans going at once. The last grow I did in there the temp ran no more then 80 so hopefully with extra fans I can get that down a little lower. My room is right by the air conditioner so that helps.I'm really tempted to order a different seeds to go with my other auto but I ordered from nirvana and it takes awhile for them to get here. All the information that was given to me was a lot but I appreciate it all. I'm all about learning new ways to grow. 😁
 
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You got a lot of good advice, but a lot of different advice as well. Nothing really wrong with any of it, just different strategies.

Sounds like a good plan. You can veg the autos and photos together no problem. You could move the photos outside, but then they wouldn't flower until Fall at which point they may be monsters. If you move the autos outside, they will just flower on their timeline as per normal.

So you plan to only have two in the tent during flowering? You will want to train them to use all of your light (horizontal space). That can largely be done after the others move out, during the stretch.
 
Campesino I opted out of using the tent and just utilizing the space I have in the closet. I plan on growing 4 in there and doing the topping and lst. Last year I had six in there. Did pretty well for some bag seeds. My problem is I want to grow many plants just so I can mess with them all. I just need to focus on the ones I have. Once I start to grow they become my babies. You got me thinking though what one would be the best to move outside when flowering starts. I figured the non auto because I can guarantee it will be completely dark In the closet. Are you thinking I should keep the auto inside?
 
One of the advantages of Autos is that you can give them lots of light during the flowering period. Some go 24 full, but 18/6 is great through most of flowering with Autos. Extra Light = Extra growth = Bigger yields. You can do this indoor, but not out.
If you put the photos outside, they will develop just like all outdoor plants and start to flower at the end of summer as days get shorter. When the Sun is their primary light, plants seem to be able to tolerate some degree of light contamination during the dark period (the moon, stars, the lume from the city). As long as there aren't any lights pointed at them they will flower.
If you plant the Photos outdoor, they will get pretty big before you harvest, so be aware of potential stealth issues.
 
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