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    What's the best easy method of making cannaoil?

    Hi,
    I've been reading tons of recipies on cannaoil and think I've decided on this one (https://www.dudegrows.com/make-poten...-canna-butter/) as it's my first time making edibles and I don't want to mess with everclear... I have a ounce of trim and 85g of bud but I'm trying to just use just the trim - would you suggest the above method (seems easy) and do you have any improvements to it?
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    #2
    Interesting recipe very involved compared to what I have been doing. I would like to know what the lecithin does and why to freeze it. I have been using GWE recipe and the results have been weak. Last time I used 14 grams and made16 caps. It took 6 caps to get good buzz. So, I think I could use a new recipe.

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    • Capncanna
      #2.3
      Capncanna commented
      05-23-2017, 09:12 PM
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      Mg is how thc is measured so if your cannabis is 15% thc then a gram would have 150 mg thc. But that's assuming you can extract all the thc. It's also how much waste you want. Freezing works buts lots of waste. Without lab equipment it's just a little hit and miss. I have stuff that's half a dropper for liftoff and the. Other that is full dropper. So many reason , age storage etc. but I will have to say decarboxylation is the main thing people miss. There is so much misinformation . It's science nothing else. After that it's a lot art and doing a lot. Yippeee and tasting a lot yipeeee. Oh this is that half dropper . Hope it helps , I was lost about it for sooooo long, then went into the science end of it and stepped into my lab coat and found a few ways I enjoy. So sometimes it machines and sometimes by hand. For consistency buy a decarb machine for 200 and a mbm for 175 or so and you can adjust your recipes until you like it. I love mine and make all kinds of stuff butters and even some rs oil now and again. Made a great garlic infused olive oil with blue heron. What a balsamic vinegarette it makes.have fun and enjoy cause that's why we do it. Bless
    • Rick Sanchez
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      Rick Sanchez commented
      05-23-2017, 10:00 PM
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      I know how thc is measured and all that, but I'm using just trim and I know there's no for sure way to find out my thc without buying a kit and testing it, but it's all sugar leaves and shake so im going to assume 8% thc, this is my first time making cannaoil so I'm not going to jump straight to a $200 decarber. Can I successfully decarb in a convectional toaster oven?
    • Capncanna
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      Capncanna commented
      05-24-2017, 06:14 AM
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      Sure you can. Lots of ways grind it put it on a cookie sheet and then read up and use whatever you like. I find 325 for 4 minutes in the oven but like baking altitude and your oven all have effects. When it starts smelling pull it.
      Not trying to get you to buy anything I still use frozen water bottles instead of a chiller so go figure, grind a little and try it small amounts work the same as large. Have fun.
    #3
    I use nothing but oil. So I make it a lot. The math is the main thing in getting what you want.
    lets say you have bud that's 15% that's 150 mg thc per gram. So an ounce is 4200 mg thc .
    now you mix that into 1 cup of oil or 8 ounces. That gives you 525 mg per ounce of oil. There are 30 droppers in an ounce. So each dropper full will have 17.5 mg of thc.
    So if you use 2 cups oil 8.75 per dropper full. That's not exact but it's close.
    decarboxylation is also where you either make it good or great. I have a machine that does that 200 bucks well,spent.
    heres my method , it can make tincture too ala master wu
    decarb , however works for you
    crock pot with 2 inches of water on high
    put ground decarbed flower in ball canning jar and add coconut oil and Lecathin .Buy fractionated oil it stays liquid and sunflower Lecathin powder.
    put in crock pot with lid on but not screwed down so it can breath
    45 minutes to an hour
    strain it and go.
    everyone has a different way and that's great , experiment and you will find your own groove.
    the low heat helps the medium chain lipid bond to the thc, the lecithin helps your body absorb the molecule with both.
    hope this helps
    bless

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    • desertdan
      #3.1
      desertdan commented
      05-21-2017, 08:43 AM
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      According to your formula. I should be getting about 150mg. per cap but from the effects I get from one I would say I am getting about 5mg. per cap. I must be doing something wrong. I have not used lecithin and use oven.
    • Capncanna
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      Capncanna commented
      05-21-2017, 09:53 AM
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      I have that sometimes too. I find decarb really got things cookin. Also its very strain specific for me. I just made some Bruce banner and thought I used mushrooms.πŸ˜€ sky walker og and just a nice easy ride.
      Look up decarb myths debunked.
      Here's a good calc I usually cut my original thc number down by 3 because you can't really get 100% of anything every time.
      https://jeffthe420chefcalculator.com

      An interesting article
      Bioavailability of Cannabinoids via Ingestion – Developing an Advanced Delivery Model
      http://cannabishealth.com/bioavailability-of-cannabinoids-via-ingestion-developing-an-advanced-delivery-model/
      [headline]What if you could obtain maximum benefits of CBD without inhalation or smoking?[/headline] Many people have started eating hemp foods, or consuming either cannabis-derived or hemp oil drops, in order to take advantage of one of nature’s healthiest foods. Although there are a number of important items you should consider before making changes to your diet or consumption habits, one vital fact outweighs all the others: the vast majority of the cannabidiol (CBD) or tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) that you consume ends up in your toilet. This article is not going to discuss the differences between cannabis and hemp; nor the many healthy attributes of hemp based foods; and, not even the human endocannabinoid system. We assume the reader is already informed regarding these topics. Instead, we explore how cannabinoids are ingested and absorbed; different delivery mechanisms; recent technological advances in bio absorption; and, how those advances offer users an alternative to smoking. We need to understand what bioavailability is and how it differs from absorption. They are related and similar – but different: absorption is just one component of bioavailability. To truly understand bioavailability we have to speak briefly about how the human body digests food. The object of digestion is to transform large food particles into smaller molecules, which can more easily be absorbed into your water-soluble blood plasma. That is how you get nutrients and energy. Very little digestion actually occurs in your stomach which is designed, in part, to kill pathogens and foreign substances that should not be ingested. In fact, roughly 95% of all digestion happens in your small intestine. Digestive enzymes intermingle with your food during the roughly 2 hour journey to arrive at your small intestine, breaking down the food and preparing it for absorption. Unfortunately hydrochloric acid in your stomach is also quite capable of destroying many nutritious, fragile molecules before they can ever be absorbed. There are dozens of different cannabinoid molecules, and most of them share similar molecular characteristics. In general, cannabinoids do not tolerate acidic environments. Studies have shown poor recoveries or even 0% recoveries of cannabinoids in acidic environments1. The mouth and throat are a roughly neutral environment, with a pH of roughly 6.8. Stomach pH can be anywhere in the 1.0 – 3.0 range: highly acidic. In contrast, the small intestine has a highly alkaline environment conducive to molecular absorption, about 8.5. 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[/quote] New ideas are focused towards discovering new technologies that can more efficiently deliver cannabinoids to the bloodstream where they can have their desired effect. Pointedly focused research is being devoted to understanding of the human endocannabinoid system and how it can function at a higher level through the efficient and healthy ingestion of cannabinoids. To this end, recent in vitro lab experiments have greatly expanded our understanding of the most efficient ways to deliver cannabinoids through ingestion. In order to succeed in delivering a higher percentage of ingested cannabinoids into the human bloodstream, we first need to figure out how to protect the cannabinoid molecule on its journey through the gastrointestinal system. 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In the summer of 2015, a US laboratory performed some of the first tests ever known to be conducted, on cannabidiol absorption into human intestinal cells. The results were astonishing. Utilizing a mixture of hemp oil, black tea and select lipids, and processed with a patent-pending technological method, resulted in intestinal tissue CBD permeability 325% higher than CBD mixed with black tea and water. And when that same mixture of hemp oil, black tea and select lipids, and processed with the patent-pending technological method is compared to the absorption of CBD and water alone, the absorption levels into the human intestinal cells rose to a 499% improvement. This sort of vital scientific research adds to our cumulative understanding that cannabinoids can indeed be ingested with bioabsorption levels that approach or perhaps even surpass those achieved from smoking. However much remains to be learned. For example we do not know what ratio of cannabinoids might be delivered to the liver for filtration via the portal vein as compared to delivery straight to the lymphatic and circulatory systems for higher bioavailability. And, additional laboratory testing with different individual lipids will have to be undertaken to determine which might perform best. Live animal tests, or even human testing, may be required to learn more about how the newest forms of technology are able to manipulate cannabinoid molecules along with certain food molecules to deliver such dramatic changes in absorption. Once the processes are more thoroughly researched we will begin to have a more complete understanding of the most efficient ways to deliver cannabinoids to humans. Since all cannabinoid molecules are so closely related, it is reasonable to believe that the processes that work for   higher bioavailability rates in CBD will also work for THC and other cannabinoid molecules. One potential outcome is that in pursuing more efficient delivery methods for any of these molecules, it may be possible to lower overall dosages for all of them. The benefits are obvious: a person requiring 10 mg of a substance in order to achieve a desired outcome would have to consume 200 mg of that substance, if the bioavailability is only 5%. But raise the bioavailability rate to say, 30%, and consumption drops to just 33 mg. This is a massive reduction in intake with a lower risk of overdosage, and leads to a potentially lighter workload on the liver accompanied by certain reductions in waste and consumer cost. Until recently, smoking was the most effective way to ingest cannabinoids, provided one was willing to overlook the unhealthy side effects and the social stigma. This creates a deadly paradox: “some cannabinoids are good for me, but smoking is not”. Smoking is an increasingly unacceptable activity in large segments of society. The death and misery toll from disease caused by smoking is unarguable. There is a large segment of society which reasonably argues that the act of smoking marijuana impacts non-smokers. The moment a smoker impacts a non-smoker, either through odor or second hand smoke, smoking is no longer a personal decision, even though it may deliver beneficial molecules such as cannabidiol. Now, because our understanding of bioavailability has increased, and the new and exciting advances in technology, it is possible to deliver comparable bioavailability as smoking, but without the negative side effects. It is actually possible that one day, using disruptive, absorption enhancing technologies, foods will be reasonably able to replace smoking as the most effective delivery mechanism for cannabinoids. Bioavailability matters… a lot. Improved bioavailability can lead to reduced social pressures associated with what are currently more common delivery methods such as smoking or vaping. Reducing smoking can lead to fewer societal objections for both cigarette and cannabis smoking. Positive community health outcomes are likely to be associated with lowered rates of smoking. And, higher bioavailability could be associated with lower overall dosages of certain molecules which can itself be associated with reduced stress on the liver and other organs, as well as financial cost savings for consumers.  References: 1Detection And Quantification Of 17 Synthetic Cannabinoids And One Metabolite (JWH-018- COOH) In Blood And Urine, J Sobhani Sefy. 2Huestis (2007) Chem. Biodivers. 4:1770–1804; McGilveray (2005) Pain Res. Manag. 10 Suppl. A:15A – 22A 3Karschner et al. (2011)  Clin. Chem. 57:66–75 4Karschner et al. (2011)  Clin. Chem. 57:66–75 5Food and Drug Administration, Guidance for industry: food-effect bioavailability and fed bioequivalence studies, food and drug administration. www.fda.gov/cder/guidance/5194fnl.html

      And the craziest thing is for quickest delivery, the other end is quickestπŸ˜€ there's actually a few companies making them now. I've not tried that , butt it makes scientific sense.
    #4
    good info. What does the machine do for decarb that the oven does not. Sounds like that could be the step I need to do better.

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      #5
      Ovens are not very good at keeping temp even. Like when your cake is lopsided. This is a chamber with a micro controller , you put whole nugs in , then grind so your not loosing any trichomes before conversion. The other thing is it's push a button and walk away. I've taken a nice little popcorn and put it under my tongue after decarb and besides super cotton mouth, wow! . Also less taste in edibles. Enjoy hope it helps
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        #6
        Better...no...easier...yes. Put ground weed in muffin tin cover with oil. Decarb in oven at 150 to 215 for about half an hour. Boom oil.
        SSD

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          #7
          South sierra Dude is right on sometimes it's about getting to it , not spending all day in the lab.
          Bubbleponics
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