Beyond Ordinary, A Journey With Rare Genetics

[Dhyan]

RE: the graphs and charts you posted. Your assertation is that the physical dimensions of the cannabis seed determines or is an indicator of what type of use the plant that grows from that seed is best used for? And psychoactive, oil, or fiber use of that plant is indicated by the seed dimensions?

Not my assertion. But a study was conducted on several types of cannabis and the seeds were plotted on a graph. As we can see certain general patterns emerged for the seeds they were looking at. As I mentioned earlier this is not any definitive guide. I think I said there are exceptions, outliers, outlaws blah blah. It might be helpful to read that part. There is uncertainty. Generally wild cannabis has small seed size. Man through selective breeding has made cannabis with large seeds for oil, food. We see that. It's obvious. So we can tell man-affected cannabis from ferile cannabis for example.... somewhat, it's not 100% certain by seed size. It's just a rough guide to aid understanding. I use it mostly for the scale where I can just drop a blue marker.

But yeah basicly, you are following the right trail! That's cool.

This Mazar seed is interesting because it is actually multi purpose. We have an ancient medical cannabis, but... The seed size is convenient for use as food or for easily producing oil. The plant grows 3-4 meters tall outdoors and is bushy. That's a lot of stem and cannabis wood left over to use for material or even burn as fuel. That's one hell of an empowering plant. Now if we think of the ancient Scythians and their culture the picture starts to make sense.



This isn't just psychoactive potent weed. It's a survival kit. It's also part of ritual uses, because they were burning cannabis at funerals to honor the dead and help with the pain of loss and grief, as chronicled by Herodotus, and there is archeological evidence. Are you familiar with this?

[Ckbrew]

Many words, are you a subscriber of phrenology?

[Dhyan]

Many words, are you a subscriber of phrenology?

I like harvesting history. If you aren't interested in humanities relationship with cannabis, I guess your interest in head lumps is just as valid. There is a skull there in the last picture. What can you tell from it? 😏

[Ckbrew]

This

https://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum/growing-community/625924-caution-ai-training-bots-and-fake-posts

[Dhyan]

Not as bad as the corporate cannabis machine training mindless zombie growers as cash cows. That's the real problem. Think about that next time someone passes the dried hemp hybrid to you.

[DabberDog]

I don't think he gets it, CK. But if you're right, it's damn fine!

[Ckbrew]

"He" doesn't get anything, its a bot. The charts and graphs are meaningless nonsense, as are the ideas promoted, the sentence syntax has blatant multiple errors in them, and the arguments are circular hyperbole . Many words, nothing meaningful has been said. If there is a human element to this poster they are being an a**hole for the fun of it. Look at the response to my question in post 37. Not my assertion. But a study was conducted... Blah, blah, blah. meaningless.

[Dhyan]

For the others, the cannabis burned by the Scythians at the site was done in a brazier. It's like a wooden box where they placed inside heated stones from the fire, and then wide leaf drug plant cannabis like Mazar or Balochi was placed on the hot stones to vaporize or even smolder the weed. As far as we know they were the first ones we have evidence of to use a vaporizer. The other picture is of a burial of a man about 35 years old. Over his dead body was laid 13 female cannabis plants. Some of the bud was tested, and yep. Good old afghan type weed high in THC, and very little CBD. They weren't smoking hemp. They were definitely getting stoned on potent marijuana, 2,000 years BCE.


The flower material from the site was tested....
There is some seeds in that bud! What could they tell us McPartland and Small?

[Dhyan]

Here the Mazar is still reflowering, pretty little pink hairs keep unfolding. 2 weeks maybe. Started flushing the soil already. I will smoke it and honor the dead. To honor my heritage. Smells spicy. Like peppers and chili.

[Pyrokill]

What came first? The joint or the bowl? Can you explain that to me since you have such weed knowledge?

I watched a documentary one time about Egyptian life and one of the archeologists said they found marijuana in a tomb in good condition. They asked if he tries any and smiled and said no.

We are closing a building at work, found a 2 year expired bottle of pop. We both had some. The chemicals kept it fresh. Who is down for a couple thousand year old buds? I would.

I've not figured out how to quote posts yet but to answer you, I aim to try and find pure genetics from the good old days. I don't care the levels of anything. I would like to try old lineage to see how it works for me. It must be good if it drove humans to cultivate this plant since the start of time. So good that the people finally have pushed for legal sources for it....I mean and it's something our government can reap tax funds for as well.

[golfnrl]

Spot on Pyrokill. I like hybrid weed. I think I prefer Sativa. But I want to know more about historically grown MJ. I’m interested in genetics in that I want to try sativa’s that are particular to a specific area and cultivated for specific purposes. Apparently I misunderstood the term landrace. And, if I’m following correctly, have misunderstood how feminization affects genetics. But that’s beside the point.

I’d like to know where to get the seeds. I prolly would never make a cross or my own seeds but I might. And I want to know more about it. But where to get the real beans?

[Smallgrow]

I posted this before for folks who are interested.
golfnrl and other’s have a look at these guys for information not coming from someone’s AI experiment. Check the blog for a tonne of history, info, etc.
Their sister site is kwikseeds.com where they sell some of these types of seeds
There is also TLTseeds.com, similar but I don’t think they even sell anything there just info on the original “strains”

[golfnrl]

I’ve been on the Real Seed site a few times. I'll check the others out as well. Thx!

[Dhyan]

What came first? The joint or the bowl? Can you explain that to me since you have such weed knowledge?

I watched a documentary one time about Egyptian life and one of the archeologists said they found marijuana in a tomb in good condition. They asked if he tries any and smiled and said no.

We are closing a building at work, found a 2 year expired bottle of pop. We both had some. The chemicals kept it fresh. Who is down for a couple thousand year old buds? I would.

I've not figured out how to quote posts yet but to answer you, I aim to try and find pure genetics from the good old days. I don't care the levels of anything. I would like to try old lineage to see how it works for me. It must be good if it drove humans to cultivate this plant since the start of time. So good that the people finally have pushed for legal sources for it....I mean and it's something our government can reap tax funds for as well.

I would hypothesize it was eaten long before joints or pipes. Yeah, Silk road traded hash and cannabis to egypt. 10,000 years ago high THC weed was used in Japan. That's not long after the last glacial period.



You aren't the only one looking for the pure genetics of days long passed. Like me there are others holding that kind of rare stuff. I'm not alone. You've just been caught up in the wrong crowd, got distracted from the search, but that empty feeling remains. That's from the empty weed. I understand your longing. What exactly would you want to try if you had the opportunity?

What's good about "legal" sources? The fact that its controlled by a small group and no longer freely accessible to and in the people as it was for millenia? As nature intended? Good that your heritage has been stolen? That laws have been written to say what you can have, when and how much? With an entire legal system to enforce those laws and criminal charges if you do not submit and obey? I'm not really sure who's side you're on talking like that.

Do you know what your tax money is paying for? I'm pretty sure you wouldn't agree with all of it. Jeebus.. no wonder it's not available to you. You have to realize there is criteria for this type of cannabis. It's not like the Stuff We All Get swag. Any bozo can fill out an online payment and get the low quality commercial junk. Anyone.

The opposite is true for the opposite quality. Even if you have the money in hand ready.... doesn't mean it will be sold to you. It doesn't work like that. It's a little sad to tell you, because I like you and I know we are brothers, but what it comes down to is somewhat like destiny. It's just not in the cards for you right now. But the good thing is, everything changes. Change is the only constant. We have to accept things are as they are, and find enjoyment in that. Be happy with what life has to offer. There is a whole bunch of free seeds to be thrown at you like confetti.. and there can be enjoyment in that. Which you have known. Perhaps one day, you can enjoy something different entirely. Your journey has not ended. Perhaps it has just now begun. May you find your way home.

[golfnrl]

See Dhyan, when your verbiage is such that you use terms like 'I understand your longing.' It makes people wonder. No one and I mean no one around here uses language like that. The lecture in the last paragraph is not any better. That's why you feel and read the skepticism from the forum. That sounds so false. Those are words and phrasing that are used by someone who doesn't use English as a first language, which you admitted, and thank you for that. But it's also the kind of language that AI would use. If I missed the denial about being AI please forgive me. All that aside. I'm interested in the comments about the weed, not lectures about taxes, longing and fulfillment of one's purpose in life. I suppose what I am saying is your point is made about what you believe are inferior seeds producing mostly inferior weed, and the people that grow them. That opinion and about $5 will get you a cup of coffee in just about any city or town in the USA. Please, let's move on with this.

[Dhyan]

I posted this before for folks who are interested.
golfnrl and other’s have a look at these guys for information not coming from someone’s AI experiment. Check the blog for a tonne of history, info, etc.
Their sister site is kwikseeds.com where they sell some of these types of seeds
There is also TLTseeds.com, similar but I don’t think they even sell anything there just info on the original “strains”

More Junk? C'mon man.

That's why Matt said what he said in the video you obviously missed. RSC defines "landraces" as farmer selected domesticates, (not untouched natural strains) with more genetic variation in populations than... blah blah blah. We already know this deceptive marketing tactic if you would have bothered to pay attention to what was already covered pages back.
Their Kerala was collected in 2014? (I'm embarrassed for you, so I will try and find something positive)

At best.. ( Let's try and say something positive here ) Reel scam seeds can provide close approximations to historical landraces... the passage of decades, regeneration and "other factors" mean they are merely preserved echoes rather than preserved relics from before 1970.

Even though their open random pollination is crossing inferior males with inferior females, it's still possible to put the years in of growing generation after generation in large scale grows to get it to stabilize and pull out the best qualities that are still left to be found in whatever it is you get from them. There is no law or regulation that says what name you buy will match the seed you get. But at least they dont do feminization, which I give them credit for that. FWIW anyway.

Nice try, but .... nope. Not really. Let's post that link to the video again so more people aren't duped so easily.

https://youtu.be/OOPEfRA2Aeo?si=i7LkhpB9BCt6L4cn

Yeah... go buy that stuff. Google is your friend. It's all there waiting for you. Just fill out the order form. Anyone can do it. Its stuff we all get. Insert facepalm here.

[DabberDog]

Dude. You are pretty much coming in here and insulting people by telling them they breed, grow, and smoke shit. You have a boat load of knowledge about some... stuff... and throw it down like what you do makes you better than everyone else.
This is a support group for... wait for it... growing weed easy. The history is neat. The science is neat. But you are sounding like some guru wannabe and your delivery sucks.
Congratulations on what you have accomplished, you have a lot you can teach people. I am sincere when I say that. But, yeah. Your self-righteousness indignation really sucks. Kind of anti 'the spirit' of weed.

[Bowhunterwoody]

Well said.

[Dhyan]

Is that so?

[DabberDog]

I agree with Bowhunterwoody .

[Dhyan]

I posted this before for folks who are interested.
golfnrl and other’s have a look at these guys for information not coming from someone’s AI experiment. Check the blog for a tonne of history, info, etc.
Their sister site is kwikseeds.com where they sell some of these types of seeds
There is also TLTseeds.com, similar but I don’t think they even sell anything there just info on the original “strains”

I get it that you point at (tag) your buddies like golfnrl Smallgrow , and whatever because the crowd is always on the lookout for someone different, not part of the flock. Comparison is key to flock cohesion, I get that. When someone not fitting in with the crowd mentality is spotted, the alarm is raised. But this lion is not your enemy. I offer empowerment and freedom, but only to those capable of listening, seeing, understanding and those capable of change. Capable of escaping from the conformity of the mob mentality. Capable of overcoming the conditioning and programming that you believe claims made by marketing and psychological experts to a multibillion dollar industry. Those able to resist millions of dollars worth of marketing campaigns to get you to buy the lowest quality you will tolerate and the highest possible price. Any lions here? Any?

[Orggrwr]

Dude. You are pretty much coming in here and insulting people by telling them they breed, grow, and smoke shit. You have a boat load of knowledge about some... stuff... and throw it down like what you do makes you better than everyone else.
This is a support group for... wait for it... growing weed easy. The history is neat. The science is neat. But you are sounding like some guru wannabe and your delivery sucks.
Congratulations on what you have accomplished, you have a lot you can teach people. I am sincere when I say that. But, yeah. Your self-righteousness indignation really sucks. Kind of anti 'the spirit' of weed.

Well said Dabber, well said indeed

[Dhyan]

Yeah, great contribution to the topic for the community.

[Dhyan]

Dude. You are pretty much coming in here and insulting people by telling them they breed, grow, and smoke shit.

Actually the science is doing that through the evidence as provided. I'm just talking about the facts available to everyone. Thought you may as well know rather living in illusion. Some thanks I get!

The truth of it all hurts I know. You are identified with what's been criticized therefore you feel a need to defend it. (Didnt I say this before too?) But what you feel like you need to defend is not you. It's a false identification. Do you understand? You can be free of it. You can drop that false identification.

[golfnrl]

Have you ever heard of Rage against the Machine? If not, I think you're fixin' to. I'm getting the popcorn and rolling a reefer.

[Smallgrow]

Bahahaha,
good idea this is getting good

[Dhyan]

Is that reefer type A, B, or C?

[Dhyan]

Dude. You are pretty much coming in here and insulting people by telling them they breed, grow, and smoke shit. You have a boat load of knowledge about some... stuff... and throw it down like what you do makes you better than everyone else.
This is a support group for... wait for it... growing weed easy. The history is neat. The science is neat. But you are sounding like some guru wannabe and your delivery sucks.
Congratulations on what you have accomplished, you have a lot you can teach people. I am sincere when I say that. But, yeah. Your self-righteousness indignation really sucks. Kind of anti 'the spirit' of weed.

I get it, trust me I understand you. The truth stings when you are cozy withsub-par genetics. I'm not here to coddle your ego or anyone elses. Im definitely not here to dance to your tune. I'm here to raise standards. It doesn't matter if you all point at each other all night looking for confirmation.. it doesn't change a single fact. If you think calling out low quality breeding is "anti-spirit-of-weed" maybe you're too attached to mediocrity to handle real progress and real quality. I'll keep dropping knowledge not arrogance. Can you add something to the topic besides hurt feelings? Step up or step aside.

[Dhyan]

Cute metaphore but it's just smoke to dodge the issue. I'm not cheerleading I'm pointing out your team is playing with a flat ball. Stop crying about spirit and address the low grade genetics I called out. Got something worth adding to the topic or more crying from bleachers? Step up or keep sulking.

[DabberDog]

You are an absolute HOOT!!! Can we hang out? We'll get coffee, or something. Maybe a sandwich. There's a place down the road I want to try out.

[ductwizard]

ppl. like this are the reason ppl. like me stay away from ppl. like that