Small Tent, Perpetual Monthly Harvest, Auto-Flower Grow Journal (canna, coco, LED)

[Tika]

Just GREAT BTB. What are your MLs for your "proper" first full feed. I am curious as I just upped within my 8-12 A & B to 10mls per gallon...from the low 8
love your updates

[Beach_Town_Brit]

Thanks Tika I'll be calling it the Vegetative 1 stage so 7.1ml of A+B per my light feed schedule (also rhizo and zym and probably some CalMag).

[Tika]

Interesting..I have always used cali-Magic in flora trio for last 3 years. Apparently canna coco doesn't need to do that. I may yet add it.
Commented (again in wrong place) I'm on the central coast SLO county..noticed finally you speaking from LA area. I lived in Brentwood (pre OJ) and Santa Monica, then Santa Barbara....

[bobsakamoto]

all the gold in california.... is in a bank in the middle of beverly hills in somebody else's name.....

[Tika]

Ah! Know the area also lived in an art studio pico / Lincoln area. Probably before you were an idea and then also on Montana over a laundrymat. Stay dry .. this storm has been a toughie up here.

[DingusKhan]

Dood, no way! I went to Brentwood Elementary in the '70s. We lived in Santa Monica until we moved to Koreatown and then Lincoln Heights until I joined the army in 1989.

[Vapo69]

Hello BTB and tika, .......I'm using canna line and coco......do either of you use the canna nutrient calculator?.......I use this and it seems to be working ok......I'm having real trouble working out what stage my plants are in due to the wording or me being thick......😀😀🌱🌿🌲

[Beach_Town_Brit]

Yes it's a little tough to get used to, it all pivots around getting the right week to add the P/K I think.

My guess'timate for autos is:

Start/Rooting (week 1)
Vegetative I (week 2) -- plant develops
Vegetative II (week 3 & 4) -- veg stagnation to early flower
Generative I (week 5 & 6) -- flowering stretch and fruit growth
Generative II (week 7 ) -- flower breadth
Generative III (week 8) -- flower weight
Generative IV (week 9) -- flower ripening

But that's totally out of my arse. Hopefully we can apply the hive mind to refining it

[Vapo69]

BTB......just seen this.....don't know why I wasn't notified😯..........this helps immensely.....it's just the wording I can't seem to grasp......and like you said the right moment to add pk 13/14....Thanks🌱🌿🌲🌳😂

[Tika]

I am using this one. I have found at least 3 online (grrrr). All new to me coming from 3 years of Flora Trio + adds
was told to feed full one feed then half the other..but voting with my feet right now.

[Tika]

No WRONG CHART will post right one in a sec.

[Vapo69]

One of THOSE days......?😀😀

[Tika]

Every day is like that

[Vapo69]

Then may the best of every day fall at your door😀😀🌱🌿🌲

[Tika]

I'm in second phase.. 35 days from dropping seed ...and will continue until totally bushed out..I think
are you folks adding cali agricultural?

[Vapo69]

I'm using everything on that chart and plant magic cal-mag....I didnt know canna did a cal-mag but have just seen it a hydro shop....I will probably get the canna version to keep the same😀

[Tika]

Vapo69 enchanting saying..VBG and I will pass it on.
Stay in touch

[NA420]

I did the same solo cup trick thanks to you Beach_Town_Brit worked pretty well! Everything looks good! You will get the hang of it and once you do it will be like an assembly line flowing smoothly!

[Beach_Town_Brit]

Thanks NA420 I think I'll cut the cups out next time rather than tearing. It's my first time using that technique but it made for a very smooth process for me so I'm goig to keep it.

[NA420]

Yes they took a little tugging to tear but wasn't that bad. This was my last time using solo cups anyway, im on my 6th grow and have gained enough experience to be confident enough to plant straight into the medium after germinating in a rapid rooter. The solo cups have helped tremendously and i would reccomend it to every first timer!

[Beach_Town_Brit]

Got antsy and got another Blue Mystic (#2) seed going. I needed to soak and germ some freebies to give to a friend for her first grow so I thought I'd do my third auto plant at the same time.

As usual I pulled the seeds from the fridge ahead of time so they can warm up a bit at room temp. Then I soak them in Ph'd water. They probably had a 24 hour soak this time and the Mystic 2 seems to have popped (oops)!

Mystic 2 went under my new 2nd generation Roleandro 300W full spectrum LED (145W draw apparently, 60 x 5w 3000k LEDs, double lenses). Long term I plan to use this light to start and veg my auto's before moving them under the P300 + the 90W DormGrow UFO to flower. However, to try this light out and see how it does I plan to use it throughout the entire life cycle of Mystic 2. The light put out by this thing has a lovely look to it, a sort of buttery white.

The 300W Roleandro was set at 25" from the coco. I'm a tad concerned about the 5w chips with double lenses and burn so we'll see what sort of distance works best as this plant develops.

(I also re-sized and compressed all my pics before uploading (120 ppi, 1000 px width, jpeg compression at 60%) as we recently learned that the forum doesn't automatically resize images.)

[Beach_Town_Brit]

What distance from canopy did you settle on bobsakamoto ?

[bobsakamoto]

i found, and this is for my environment/medium/all that, that 15-18" from top of seedlings was the sweetspot. i started at btw 12-14" then, when saw yellow tips, moved up to 21-24" and corrected down at 1 inch intervals every 2-3 hours until i saw them regain their puffy, perky happy baby seedling look...

[Beach_Town_Brit]

Thanks Bob, 18" sound perfect to me I'll bring them down slowly over the first few weeks of the new seedling (assuming it pops)

[Beach_Town_Brit]

While I'm here I guess I should do a journal update proper

All is going well, got some vigorous growth this week from both plants. This means I didn't mess up the top on Mystic after all and so I went ahead and topped the Bubble at the third node.

2-13-17 DAY 17 Pots still have some water weight (maybe 1/4 of full weight) but I wanted to feed and the top half of the pot was pretty dry. Did full Veg I feed, 7.1ml A+B, 7.6 Rhizo, 9.5 Cannazym, Ph'd to 6.0. I moved the light down to 20" from the canopy. Left runoff in tubs to maintain humidity. 47%/55% 73/81.

2-15-17 DAY 19 Great response to feed and Mystic top so I topped the Bubblicous at the third nodes and stripped the first node. Stripped node 1 from Mystic too. 48%/79% 72/79.

2-16-17 DAY 20 Planted Mystic 2 under Roleandro as above. Fed Veg 1 again, 6.2ph. Pinned down the fan leaves to better expose growth tips. 58%/72% 72/77

Moving forwards I think Day 16 is gonna be my target for topping autos. My plan is inspired by Green75 and Rockman -- props to you both. By topping at the 3rd node and stripping the first node I'm left with 4 growth tips that I hope will be my main 4 stems. I'm new to autos so I didn't have the confidence to strip the fans as Green does, maybe with Mystic 2...

[Beach_Town_Brit]

As I've noted before I re-use my coco from grow to grow.
When I cut a plant I leave the pot to dry out thoroughly (a few weeks inside at least), then I pull the stump and main root ball. I shake loose coco and perlite off into my coco storage 5 gal bucket then the rootbal and stump goes into the green recycling/compost bin I also sift through the coco in the bucket with my fingers and pull out any clumps of root matter I find. There are still stray roots etc in my medium but it's never created any problems for me. As you can probably tell I do all this in the bath tub!

[Beach_Town_Brit]

It's sort of a rolling thing. If I reuse the medium from a 3 gal pot, I probably only get 1.5 gallons of medium back. Consequently, I add new coir and perlite mix on occasion. It all goes into the same container and gets blended.

As such I would say any pot I fill with my reused media has some new medium and some reused medium (potentially from several uses).

I haven't noticed any of my media get funky at all. Some of the coir just breaks down into dust but that stuff naturally gets filtered out sinking to the bottom of the 5 gal bucket. If my reused stock ever felt substandard I'd probably just add more new coir and perlite to build it up.

[Vapo69]

Do you double the zym dose dude?..........I'm thinking of re-using some coir.......I'm thinking that any plant/root matter that is left will be turned into "useful sugars and minerals" by the cannazym......therefore creating nutrient laden coir?...🌱🌿🌲🌳😂

[Beach_Town_Brit]

I'm a bit stingy with nutes but I do certainly use cannazym at every feed

[rockman]

BTB, glad I finally got tuned into your interesting grow operation! Hope the perpetual grow setup keeps you and wife well supplied.😊 You're great with giving so many details...something that I am lacking on my threads. It will be fun to see the results of your training, since we've both have 4 armed babies to work with! 💪

[Beach_Town_Brit]

Here, here
Thanks for the inspiration

[Potted]

Luck walks with you, can't wait to hear more! Peace

[Beach_Town_Brit]

It's my year this year apparently, year of the rooster : )

It's all just waiting now...

[Vapo69]

Those girls look great.........Journal is lookin great...........year of the rooster is fully backin you up dude.......keep up the good work....can't wait to see more of them as they grow🌱🌿🌲🌳😂😂

[Beach_Town_Brit]

Thanks, I'm enjoying the speed these autos take off at but I know there'll be a need for patience soon.

[Vapo69]

"Patience is a virtue".....only after starting to grow weed do I understand this fully lol🌱🌿🌲🌳😂😂

[rockman]

Indeed! I've also learned so much about my patience level when growing our favorite weed and other special plants! Really pointed out misguided desire to speed up a naturally occurring process! 🌿 🌼

[Beach_Town_Brit]

I'd like to self-nominate for Fail-O-the-Week.

I'll do a proper update tomorrow unless the self-hatred wholly consumes me.

While Green and Rockman make it look easy, I can at least provide a cautionary counterpoint -- if you have stupid thumbs or bad eyes, plant training can be seriously detrimental to the health of your plants

[bobsakamoto]

i SO SO second this. i am in the process of getting glasses for the first time ever (oh, hi old age, nice to meet ya) and between my eyes and my own stupid thumbs...well, 2 out of 4 seedlings are the worse for it. the other 2 my cat helpfully topped, fim'd, lst'd, etc.----like he read every tutorial and tried 'em all simultaneously. in happier news my glasses came in yesterday

[Beach_Town_Brit]

Yeah the opticians is on the list.

I love the idea of training a cat do do all one's plant training, but how do you train a cat?

[bobsakamoto]

he just did it himself. and naturally he did it in the 30 sec it took me to walk from the table to the sink to get some H2O. the funny thing is he didn't EAT them (again, naturally, bc the ultimate goal is destruction for destruction's sake). he helpfully deposited them in and around the pot. so i picked 'em up, stuck em in rooting powder, put em in some shot glasses with H2O and shavings of jiffy pellet and am hoping HOPING hoping for clones/roots.... he has since been banished from all things grow. in all seriousness i don't think one is gonna make it cuz that one he removed the cotyledons AND the two bottom leaflets. little fucker.