Obi-Wan’s White Widow, Mama Mia, Big Bang, & Jack Herer

[Obi-Wan]

I decided to do a mixed grow this time, it’s not my favorite way to grow but I’m looking for some new keepers So the opening round will be 4 strains. I’ve started White Widow and Mama Mia from seed, both from Seedsman’s house line. I’ve also acquired a Jack Herer clone, also Seedsman, from a friend along with a clone of Big Bang from Greenhouse Seeds Co. The clones are a bit small for my taste as they only have 1-2 nodes, I prefer my clones to have 3-4 nodes when I take them. Clones just seem to take off quicker when they’re bigger cuttings, these 2 may need some extra time whereas the girls from seed are already hitting their paces. I’ll be taking cuttings from each of these girls prior to flower so I can try my hand at keeping Bonsai mothers.

Seedsman White Widow-Indian x Brazilian
(8 week flowering)

Seedsman Mama Mia- Early Skunk x Mazari Sharif
(8 week flowering)

Seedsman Jack Herer- Haze x Red Skunk
(9 week flowering)

Greenhouse Seed’s Big Bang- Skunk x N. Lights x El Niño
(9 week flowering)

[Canuck147]

Obi-Wan - this looks like fun too! Thanks for including us.

[SoOrbudgal]

I love it Obi-Wan mama mia is one resilient lady and jack herer is one of my favs. Both from seedsman also. I didn't grow jack this summer ( I mean herer cause I got plants ) but that was my monster 1 from last summer to oct. your gonna love those 2 I hope. I have 1 more seed of jack for next summer. Man i'm gonna watch this one thanks. Good luck

[alltatup]

Prevented from peeping plants in pink pics!!

[s62]

Purposefully peer past the pink to perceive the pure possibilities, my peer.

[Obi-Wan]

Yeah I know, I’m gonna upgrade to a couple of Autocobs in the Veg tent real soon. I hate the pink/blurple pics too.

[SoOrbudgal]

Dang it you two LOL

[Obi-Wan]

The girls are doing well, training is finished so they just need to grow out over the next 3 weeks. Minor pest issue, cricket and beetle populations have been higher than normal here in southeastern MA this year. They made there way into my basement and we’re helping themselves to some fan leaves. Treated the basement sill and outer foundation with a deterrent spray and gave the tent and girls a good soap and water wash. Both tents are do for some preventive treatments so I’ll be taking care of that on the next moving day.

[s62]

I can see some excellent looking training!

[PaganRich]

I do like that style of structuring and defoliation mate-right up my street. Nice piece of work you`ve done there.

[Obi-Wan]

I like working off 2 sequential sets to start, it makes spreading them out nice and easy. I top once to give me the 4 mains and then each of those 4 is topped again for 8. It gets me to my 8 mains a few weeks earlier than a true manifold would but I end up vegging them about the same time as a manifold. This way allows me to let the 8 mains develop a little more before the flip. As far as defoliation goes I’m a big proponent of the practice. I personally like to let the plants grow out a bit before I start to defoliate. I top, wait a week, defoliate, wait a week, top again, wait a week, and defoliate again. After the first topping I’d say I do it every other week throughout Veg and I’m not too particular about how much I take. It really depends on how healthy they are, healthy plants could get chicken boned and I wouldn’t think twice about doing it, they always bounce back. I do back off a bit as they mature through flower, moderate to heavy for the first 4-5 weeks and then almost none for the last 1/2 of flower.

[Obi-Wan]

I readjusted the training wires and gave another round of defoliation. I haven’t seen any new signs of pests so as long as that continues these girls will be flipped in 3 weeks. I’ve already taken my clones from the Mama Mia and White Widow. I’ll be taking cuttings from Jack and Big Bang next week. EC is 1.2 and pH is 5.9.

[PaganRich]

Enjoying this grow mate

[Obi-Wan]

It’s been a few weeks since my last update. Everything has been going well with these plants. After giving the flower tent a good cleaning I flipped these girls into flower yesterday. They got a good healthy defoliation before I put them in there new home. I also moved the next round from the cloner into the Veg tent. I’ve got 2 White Widow and 2 Mama Mia just starting in Veg.

[Obi-Wan]

Today is day 16 of 12/12, time to do a little pruning and defoliation.

[Obi-Wan]

Here they are after pruning and defoliation. I did a full reservoir change to flowering nutrients and set the EC at 1.6, pH is 5.9.

[s62]

Man, you put in some work!

[PaganRich]

Nice bit of defol there mate

[alltatup]

They look fabulous!!!

[Obi-Wan]

It’s been 2 weeks since I’ve updated this grow. Day 30 of 12/12 and I’m being reminded why I don’t like growing 4 different strains in the same tent. The White Widow is the tallest plant in the back left of the pics and she needs to stop stretching!!! Jack Herer is in the front right position and she could stand to stretch a bit more. The right side of the tent makes me a bit happier with Big Bang in the back right and Mama Mia in the front right position, they seem to be playing nice and maintaining an even canopy on the right.

I can’t really complain because their all stacking bud sites. I trimmed them back up again today, it’s the last major defoliation that they’ll see. Just a leaf here and there from this point on.

EC is still 1.6, pH is 5.7

[alltatup]

I do the same, always grow different strains together, and it's a challenge. But who wouldn't rather have 4 different strains jarred up??????

[Obi-Wan]

I agree, having multiple strains is nice, I just prefer the growing experience with 1 or 2 strains that act the same. Less stress and anxiety for me. I raised the light as high as I can on the ratchets and I can buy myself another 6” if I ditch the hangers that came with the hood. But the higher I raise the light for the Widow, the further my other plants get from the ideal light range. Either way it’s my first run with the White Widow and now that I know what to expect for stretch, I can train it a bit more to control canopy next time.

[alltatup]

Obi-Wan Yes, I agree, it does add stress to the grow. But even the same strain can bust out entirely different phenotypes. It's a challenge on each grow: on some grows, 4 different strains have all grown similarly, and on other grows, I've had the different height problem where not all colas make it into the sweet spot in the light.

[Obi-Wan]

Here are the girls in Veg, 2 White Widow clones, and 2 Mama Mia clones. They were topped leaving nodes 2 & 3 and then each of the 4 mains was topped again producing 8 mains per plant. I got a little too aggressive with one of the original 4 main colas on a White Widow so she is set up for 6 main colas. Mama Mia are on the left White Widow are on the right. These girls started Veg on October 6th so they are 31 days old today. They’re gonna Veg for at least another 5 weeks before I can move to the flower tent.

[SoOrbudgal]

Holy cow it's gonna get tight in there won't it Obi-Wan for another 5wks? My outdoor Mama Mia was my biggest and it's cured for over 40+days now and we love it.

[Obi-Wan]

Day 37 of 12/12 and the girls are just trucking along. It seems like the White Widow has finally stopped stretching and not a moment too soon as the good is as high as I can put it.

I did some back and forth thinking this past week regarding the girls in Veg and came to the conclusion that I needed to flip them. I’m at the 1/2 way point with the flowering girls in the 3x3 and by flipping the 2x4 tent into flower today I can put both tents on a 5-6 week alternating harvest schedule. In theory this will be a more efficient use of both spaces by allowing for more harvests and shorter Veg times. We’ll see how the theory plays out in reality....Anyways I trimmed the girls up and repositioned a few colas and then added my HLG-65 for additional lighting.

[s62]

God those are good looking! Nicely done!

[Obi-Wan]

2x4 tent Day 1 of 12/12. 2 White Widow Clones & 2 Mama Mia Clones.

[SoOrbudgal]

Beautiful Obi-Wan. Can I ask when you do your last clean up on the bottom of plants? Right before flip and a couple wks after? Do yours continue to put out new bud sites? Another question...sorry. When if ever do you stop having to clean up lower growth? Thank You and sorry for lots of questions. I'm still thinking of the to many cola posts

[s62]

Great questions, budgal, I’d love to know the answer too

[Obi-Wan]

SoOrbudgal I lollipop and defoliate just before the flip, generally I go a bit lighter on the lollipop before the flip but I got a little carried away this time. They will continue to stack bud sites for another 2-3 weeks. I’m a bit concerned about flowering 4 plants setup for 8 colas each in an 8 square foot space. I’m going to have 32 colas so there’s no room for any side branches to come up so I took them all at the flip this time. Most of the growth tips I took are in my aeroponic cloner for the next round. I’ll clean them up again in 3-4 weeks, normally I’d need to make more decisions on side branches at that time but since I cleared out everything that could branch out, I’ll just do my last defoliation at that time. In my limited experience I’ve found that the main colas will stack bud sites during the first 3-4 weeks of flower and the side branches either will or won’t grow into open space. I only keep the branches that find open space, otherwise they’re taking light and breeze from one of my main colas. s62

[SoOrbudgal]

Thank you so much for addressing my questions. I know mines a 4x4 also with 4 photos. I'm going to get real choosy who stays and who gets wacked as far as branches go. It's going to get interesting LOL.