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Why are colas affected by bud rot never used; what is the evidence for toxicity?

I can appreciate a scientific interest in trying to find evidence of something before taking it on as fact, even if it goes against the current common understanding so I’m going to answer the original question with as much respect as I can. Forgive me if if this sounds repetitive, I think I wrote virtually the same post on another thread a few days ago.

Firstly, I don’t have any definitive information one way or the other. I definitely read a couple articles suggesting botrytis is not bad for humans (aside from people with mold allergies of course) but I am not comfortable the articles were sufficiently detailed or peer reviewed and didn’t take into account the impact of heat on the relevant compounds so I am not willing to accept them as fact yet. I admit my own squeamishness with mold is based on an ick factor. I don’t want to consume bud rot in any form mainly because it looks pretty gross and I imagine it doesn’t taste very good. I also don’t know it tastes bad for a fact and I freely admit many positive things are created by ‘good’ bacteria and there are tasty fungi (I happily point to mushrooms we eat and things we brew).

My concern is that I do not think I am capable of determining botrytis from aspergillus (a more dangerous pathogen) or any other possible culprit and I very much doubt anyone on this forum could do so either (forgive me if we have any experts on the subject but I doubt even they could recognize one from the other without testing). As such I am not willing to take the chance. I am also allergic to molds (hay fever type allergies not anaphylactic level) so I am careful because of that as well.

In short, I grow more than I can use and I know bud rot can take over if left unattended so when I see it I cut out the impacted buds and anything I am not sure about and dispose of it. If nothing else it slows down the bud rot. Bud rot starts out with a bit of wilting and fuzz but it eventually turns bud into a dusty mushy nasty mess that I don’t think would be usable even if botrytis isn’t bad for you. I also wash my bud and while I don’t believe my wash system is strong enough to destroy every known pathogen on the bud I do believe it washes away the majority of dirt/spores/pathogens in the same way that washing homegrown lettuce washes away the majority of stuff to the point people are comfortable eating it. Bud rot changes the texture of the bud and breaks it down so my wash system would not fix bud already starting to mold, just the stuff that may have picked up spores/bugs/dirt etc. My system works for me and everyone I gift my bud to and as long as everyone else’s system works for them and everyone they give stuff to (informed consent) then I wouldn’t have a problem with anyone experimenting and I would be interested to hear updates.
 
OK - we are now starting some better discussions; Thanks to deadly fruit for comments...if I grew more than I could use, I would have a different attitude closer to yours.

PRIMO...so far bud rot has not been my main issue, my plants dying is a bigger issue; if you are a complete beginner like me then growing weed is not easy, although this site and these forums are very helpful I find.

BU2B Its all very well to say that there has been no mould in dispensaries since 2017...in London there are no dispensaries at all and my access to buying in US and Europe has been locked for a while now

CKBREW of course one epidose of safe use is inadequate; I am planning my trial protocols now but I doubt thay will be double blind
 
c,mon Sandy why not spend more time trying to grow some more good safe bud instead of trials to prove nothing other than you are an idiot. BTW who do we send condolences to?
 
Damn sandyinlondon, you seem to have incited the rare occasion of a riot here! I'm shocked and dismayed, but you kinda came on strong and disrespected some folks who have walked the CannTrail a lot further than it seems you have.

Don't despair, that's my message.... well, don't despair and ALSO, don't use your body as a science fair experiment and smoke Bud Rot. Cause that's just dumb.

If you're really hard up for smoke let me (us) know: ask and ye shall receive. Most of the experienced growers here have a closet full of awesome herb and I'm damned sure we can work up a care package even if it's "long distance" delivery.

More importantly, you probably already know that the real lesson here is how to grow good weed without Bud Rot. Have you figgered out yet why your harvest was damaged? Focus on that maybe instead?

Best wishes on your next grow,

-Grouchy
 
Do you grow indoors or out? I don’t think I have ever had a case of rot on an indoor grow but outdoors I definitely get a few impacted buds each time. If you are outdoors then I think you would just have to get used to losing some of your crop and do things like try to monitor it, handle any cases of rot asap and choose your seeds for mold resistance. If you are indoors and getting bud rot then I suggest you focus on 2 things - firstly get you environment under control. You need to be able to mainly control humidity with both a humidifier and de-humidifier (bonus points if you have these run by a controller). Secondly, given you can’t have bud rot without spores you must control what you let into your environment. This includes on your clothes/footwear/body/grow medium/water/etc.. Do whatever you can to avoid bringing spores into your tent. If you have had rot indoors then start by washing your environment with a bleach solution. When you are ready to harvest hang it up in the same tent so it stays in the same controlled environment.
 
Well I certainly did not mean to disrespect anybody - I was trying to understand why Botyris bud rot was considered so toxic that it was always discarded and not used, when the same mould is used on the grapes that make some of my favourite wines.

I am a first time grower and I started in July; usually I buy in Amsterdam, Copenhagen, California, Canada, Alaska...all the places where effectively THC is now legal...but with the pandemic I became desperate due to shortage as I have no contacts in London...

I am growing indoors and my humidity is too high at 55-65% in my tent - I need to buy a dehumidifier. Since I installed extra fans I have not seen any more bus rot, but I am still some time from a proper harvest.

Grouchyold man - thank you for your very kind offer which I would love to take up, but fearful of the consequences of revealing my anonymity and also the potential for interception in the international mails, to say nothing of your own risk and trouble.

I think my growing skills are slowly improving and I hope I may have a real harvest by the end of the year...that certainly is my focus now.

This site and most of the comments on the forums here are very helpful indeed.



Currently growing in 5 and 3 gallon fabric pots using CC and Perlite mix and Canna A+B half strengh nutrients; multiple Spider Farmer 1000 lights on 12/12 cycle.

I have one surviving plant from my first 8 seeds germinated in July - this is the WWSL strain that suffered the bud rot. Also a dying Trainwreck mother that I cloned, with no buds on it at all. So 2/8 really.

I have one surviving plant from the 7 out of 8 that germinated in August; no bud there yet...this AK auto is now starting to flower

I have 3 survivors from the 3 I germinated in September, but none are anywhere near flowering yet

I also have some young clones from the Trainwreck that are all very small and immature so far
 
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Hi sandyinlondon,
That's more like it! if you hang around you'll find you are among friends here.

I got your PM and I'm asking around to see what is possible. In the meantime dial down the humidity, turn up the fans and pamper your plants!
 
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