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Underfed or pH issue 🤔
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No3odiesShad0w
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I have until Christmas-ish to figure out if they're male/female and if they'll make it. 🤞 Hopefully by then, I'll know otherwise I'm just going to have to plant something different. It's already messing up my in-between grow. IDK if I should plant something or not. I don't have 100 days before the new year/Christmas. I rather just skip it then have it mess up the whole grow schedules. I really REALLY want to skip the summer months this year but in order for that to happen, I need about 6 months worth of flower, which is realistic but unlikely.... Unless I start getting 4oz + plants.
The Acai Freak, in going to top tomorrow morning so that they can start side branching. They're 20 days old, they need to start branching so I can get clones to sex test. All the freak shows need more time. Ugh I really wish black Friday could roll around already. I want to get that seedling dome with the LEDs from AC Infinity. Would make my life so much easier and the seedlings/clones could get a proper environment not 12 hours of light and then 4 hours of me chasing the tiny bit of sun on the windowsills. Less then ideal situations...... As always...... For my seedlings because flowering plants get priority. It's also why growth overall has been slow and poor.
The BD x MAC1 cross clones are looking healthy. I think I'm going to be re growing her. I kid you not. Straight glass of lemonade ðŸ‹. Smells like southern sugary lemonade. It's crazy because the leaf rub still smells like straight up pepper. Black ground pepper. I'm certainly going to grow her again. I'm glad I took clones because man look at those buds!! She's days away from being ready
The Acai Freak, in going to top tomorrow morning so that they can start side branching. They're 20 days old, they need to start branching so I can get clones to sex test. All the freak shows need more time. Ugh I really wish black Friday could roll around already. I want to get that seedling dome with the LEDs from AC Infinity. Would make my life so much easier and the seedlings/clones could get a proper environment not 12 hours of light and then 4 hours of me chasing the tiny bit of sun on the windowsills. Less then ideal situations...... As always...... For my seedlings because flowering plants get priority. It's also why growth overall has been slow and poor.
The BD x MAC1 cross clones are looking healthy. I think I'm going to be re growing her. I kid you not. Straight glass of lemonade ðŸ‹. Smells like southern sugary lemonade. It's crazy because the leaf rub still smells like straight up pepper. Black ground pepper. I'm certainly going to grow her again. I'm glad I took clones because man look at those buds!! She's days away from being ready
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Bluey
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Give a thought to building your own aeroponics bucket for clones. They don't need domes and will thrive in almost any himidity and you can keep them there for many months. You can keep dozens under one small 20watt LED a couple of feet above them and leaking light won't bother them in veg. Easy to make and cheap with a 100% success rate.
No3odiesShad0w
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Bluey. I considered it after I saw the success you had with yours, but I need it to be mobile. All the water and pumps and everything is just much. I just want an easy to move box where I can put some small 3-4 in pots to hold stuff over or get a head start. It's not going to be in commission all the time... I just didn't have the space.
No3odiesShad0w
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It's only going to get crazy when I have to take 2 clones of all 4 plants. Then I'll have 8 to deal with plus the original 4. It's turning into way more work then I care for for these reg seeds. But I really want those pictures so I'll let at it.
Bluey
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Only the airpump sits outsider the cloner, and the cords and tubes of course.
I had good success flipping flowered clones back to veg. Moving it around in my basement was easy enough.
A 20 ltr bucket and lid can hold a dozen clones but if keeping them for many months and if reversing them etc I'd go haf that.
I had good success flipping flowered clones back to veg. Moving it around in my basement was easy enough.
A 20 ltr bucket and lid can hold a dozen clones but if keeping them for many months and if reversing them etc I'd go haf that.
No3odiesShad0w
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She's still showing some kind of deficiency. Not sure what it is but with only 3 -4 weeks left... Not sure what I can do. It's starting to look like she needs nitrogen too but I'll be damned if I'm gonna add more.
The both of them are growing like crazy. The UG isn't showing any deficiencies and are stacking flowers like nobody's business. They are 2x as big as the earth box nutrients side. She's happy I'm just not sure what the GBoF wants. She looks like she wants maybe more but I'm scared to add anything more. Maybe a little bat guano. 7-3-1 I added langbienite so I don't want to go crazy with the potassium.
I think it's still a bit too early to start fading but I also don't want to over fertilize the UG. She's doing so well .... Frankly both are doing very well..... It's just the GBoF is losing a leaf a week but it's effecting more leaves. Maybe it's a toxicity? Not deficiency 🤔
The both of them are growing like crazy. The UG isn't showing any deficiencies and are stacking flowers like nobody's business. They are 2x as big as the earth box nutrients side. She's happy I'm just not sure what the GBoF wants. She looks like she wants maybe more but I'm scared to add anything more. Maybe a little bat guano. 7-3-1 I added langbienite so I don't want to go crazy with the potassium.
I think it's still a bit too early to start fading but I also don't want to over fertilize the UG. She's doing so well .... Frankly both are doing very well..... It's just the GBoF is losing a leaf a week but it's effecting more leaves. Maybe it's a toxicity? Not deficiency 🤔
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Bluey
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You're confusing me.
Did you say you added a 7.3.1 to her? How? That's a lot of N for a flowering plant. Too much.
Your deficiencies look two fold. One pic looks like it's showing regular fade, another calmag deficiency.
I'd stick to just giving her liquid bloom nutes at around an EC of 1.4 to 1.6. pH it around 6.8
Bat guano is the world's best fertiliser IMHO but it is really high in N for flowering cannabis. It dies work great on many flowering species though. Kelp/seaweed extract may be a better choice, also high in N but not as high as guano. pH it around 6.8 again.
pH all your inputs. You soil is likely completely stuffed now, out of nutes and pH buffers, so input 6.5 to 6.8
Did you say you added a 7.3.1 to her? How? That's a lot of N for a flowering plant. Too much.
Your deficiencies look two fold. One pic looks like it's showing regular fade, another calmag deficiency.
I'd stick to just giving her liquid bloom nutes at around an EC of 1.4 to 1.6. pH it around 6.8
Bat guano is the world's best fertiliser IMHO but it is really high in N for flowering cannabis. It dies work great on many flowering species though. Kelp/seaweed extract may be a better choice, also high in N but not as high as guano. pH it around 6.8 again.
pH all your inputs. You soil is likely completely stuffed now, out of nutes and pH buffers, so input 6.5 to 6.8
No3odiesShad0w
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Bluey. I didn't add anything besides Epsom salt and langbienite. I was debating about the guano but I didn't add it because nitrogen. After watering yesterday I'm pretty sure it's just the pH of the water. I don't need to bring it down to 6.8. I should probably just put in at 7.3 as it comes out. Might be getting on the acidic side if the calcium buffer is used up in the soil itself.
No3odiesShad0w
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Well it got worse so I'm like 90% sure it's the pH. Pretty sure the plants used up the calcium buffer I had in the soil. Pretty sure the magnesium is in there but it's too acidic for the plants to uptake it. I've been lowering my waters pH from 7.3 to 6.8..... Nothing crazy they probably don't need it. It's probably doing more harm now than it's doing good.
Like for a fact I know there's no deficiency. The UG next to her looks perfect. Not a single blemish. It's just this Grape Balls of Fire that's being finicky. The buds look awesome but I'm just worried that this deficiency is coming on a little too fast. She's got 3 weeks to go.
Like for a fact I know there's no deficiency. The UG next to her looks perfect. Not a single blemish. It's just this Grape Balls of Fire that's being finicky. The buds look awesome but I'm just worried that this deficiency is coming on a little too fast. She's got 3 weeks to go.
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The flowers look stupid amazing! I can see where all the nutrients are going 🤣🤣. I just wish I could give her what she needs. I added half gallon of water to the reservoir with 1tsp of Epsom salt. I don't want to mess up the UG at the expense of the GBoF. They all look amazing none the less.
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No3odiesShad0w
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Don't worry I'll be giving the liquid nutrients a go again. I feel I have better info now about it then I did. We'll see how it goes.
Bluey
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If you have all the nutes in the mix at close to the right ratios and you still have a deficiency, barring watering problems, root rot etc, then it really has to be an issue with pH.
Don't rely on soil grows in anything but huge pots or your garden to pH buffer into flower.
Given the stage you are at you might have a potassium issue. I cannot tell with some of my plants under LEDs what is going on sometimes, so I reduce the light till I work it out or harvest.
Don't rely on soil grows in anything but huge pots or your garden to pH buffer into flower.
Given the stage you are at you might have a potassium issue. I cannot tell with some of my plants under LEDs what is going on sometimes, so I reduce the light till I work it out or harvest.
No3odiesShad0w
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So far it still doesn't look like potassium but I did add langbienite.... That should provide some potassium. And magnesium. I have a good feeling though. I can't see in the dark but from what I did notice some of the leaves do look better after adding that Epsom salt to the water yesterday. Might have done the trick. I just haven't had such a magnesium hungry monster before lololol
No3odiesShad0w
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I also didn't pH the water so it went in at like 7.5. The pH seems to go up in the fall/winter by 0.2 and then falls back to 7.3 in the spring and summer
Bluey
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My sativas produce what appears to be a mag deficiency mid flower under strong LED's but never in 30 years of growing outdoors in soil have they shown those issues.
I'm pretty sure it's not a mag deficiency as I have done all I can to fix it with pH and suppliments but still get the same problem with them. Luckily it doesn't appear to effect the buds and just the top fans getting the light. I've also treated them for potassium and phosphorus issues to no avail.
I've grown 6 different strains now and it only hits my sativas, no sign of those issues with the other strains under LED's so not going to worry about it much.
I'm pretty sure it's not a mag deficiency as I have done all I can to fix it with pH and suppliments but still get the same problem with them. Luckily it doesn't appear to effect the buds and just the top fans getting the light. I've also treated them for potassium and phosphorus issues to no avail.
I've grown 6 different strains now and it only hits my sativas, no sign of those issues with the other strains under LED's so not going to worry about it much.
No3odiesShad0w
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Bluey trust and believe, if I could grow outdoors, I would. As an addition to my indoor stuff. Outdoor grown just tastes and hits so differently.
And by the looks of it the Great Balls of Fire definitely look like a sativa leaning cultivar compared to the Uncle Grandpa which is definitely a more indigo leaning just by the structure
And by the looks of it the Great Balls of Fire definitely look like a sativa leaning cultivar compared to the Uncle Grandpa which is definitely a more indigo leaning just by the structure
No3odiesShad0w
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At the end of the day she's like 3 weeks away from being done so I just wanted to slow down the nutrient deficiency I didn't want to fix it because then I might add too much. I just wanted to slow the stuff down so that it's not losing color as quickly as it is over a 3-day period. In about another week or two I'm going to want it to start fading
