Underfed or pH issue 🤔

[No3odiesShad0w]

I'm not sure if this is a pH issue or if this is just beginning signs of them being hungry. It's affecting the lower leaves. It's been a month into bloom. It's normally around this time that I top dress if I see they need it. I'm just not sure what I'm seeing here. Most of her looks really happy and healthy. She's praying most of the time too.

 

[9fingerleafs]

It looks like a classic magnesium deficiency. But I don't do organics so I don't know how you fix that in a system like yours. I would just give some epsom salt because I grow in coco. Maybe look for a organic nutrient high in magnesium?

 

[bdeegan]

Have/can you take a slurry test with a ph meter? It’ll give you what’s going on in the soil. I’m actually doing that tonight on my T20 run, got the meter all ready last night.

 

[Bluey]

A month onto bloom I'd be giving it a bit more potassium and phosphorus.

Growing hydro style under full spectrum LEDs at high intensity is tough getting all in balance without showing a problem in the leaves re nute issues, and VPD plays into this also. Hydro in cococ etc. will result in about 20% higher yield than soil and in a full hydro system another 20% on that. Adjust light levels to suit.

Yours are praying so you are in that space in soil. The beginning of pigment loss may be a magnesium deficiency but it may also be showing the limitations of a soil grow with light levels better suited to a full hydro grow.

I'd back off the lights.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

Okay cool
I was thinking it was a magnesium deficiency and I had upped the cal mag that I was giving them in the water. I noticed it got significantly better but they probably need a little more. I just wanted to double check. They're putting on weight like crazy so it wouldn't surprise me if they need some sort of extra nutrients.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

I have not. I honestly haven't checked soil or water pH in a while. Sometimes I'll check it to make sure everything is the same but my tap water is pretty stable. The silica makes the pH go up a little but I just add vinegar to lower it. I doubt it's pH related because her potmate is doing just fine. The grape balls has been the most finicky of the bunch.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

In a few weeks I'm gonna be starting my "in between grows" grow. Gonna try with bottled nutrients again. 5 gallon 70/30 Coco mix and GH trio. Apparently you can just fill the bases with the nutrient water and the salt build up will happen up top. Makes me a bit more interested in trying it again.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

I'm only at like 38DLI. Around 900ppfd that's on the lower side of what I normally do. I was even concerned it was too low and that's why the leaves were turning but they could be eating up the nutrition. It's been a month since a fairly light top dress.

 

[Bluey]

Go with your bloom top dress.

I have hit mine with 1350PPFD with a perfect environment in hydro and had problems all over the place with leaf symptoms, still got great buds though, but even at a 1000 PPFD I am on the edge of leaf symptoms at times, all for chasing big colas.

Soil would be even more difficult chasing those light numbers I'm guessing.

Edit. I think in soil without nute additions 750 PPFD is about a safe h8gh but it's going to vary heaps of course re strain and environment

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

Ended up putting 2.5ml TPS Cal-Mag per 1.5 gallons instead of 1.5ml and I also sprinkled some Epsom salt on the top of the soil around the GBoF not under the UG. She seems fine. I also added 2Tbsp of the NLS Flower Power for each plant. Hopefully that helps. She's blooming really nicely for now but you know how it goes with organics. If you don't catch it early enough, you'll be playing catch up.

Aside from that, the rest are doing well........ Except for the seedlings. I'm not liking these seeds from Hi-Elevation Genetics.
First off, 2x are Acai Freak.... BUT they're not "freak". They have normal leaves. Why call it freak if it's clearly not?

Second, the Freakshow seeds. The first 2; males. Planted 2x 12 days ago and only 1x germinated and it looks, meh. The second I resowed after 5 days. It took 5 more days for it to germinate. It's been 3 days now and it hasn't even opened its cotyledon leaves yet. It doesn't have a shell on it because I pulled it off but it's just not doing anything. I hope at least one is a female. These seeds suck! But man the weirdness would be camera worthy.

 

[Rwise]

Freakshow is not an easy grow! Nor are they easy to get started from my experience thus far. They also do not like temps below 60*F, 110* did not seem to bother them.
F1 genetics may not go freaky, an F1 Berryfreak I had only had saw-tooth leaves.
I see 2 pics with a Feakshow in them (same plant?). They do not like wet feet!
Consider them a challenge, they do clone well.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

It's been a few days I'm still waiting for this one to open up It took 5 days to pop and it looks like it's going to take 5 days for the cotyledon leaves to open.

​​​​​​The Acai freak look great on the other hand. Just gonna have to see. If they're female then I think it's going to be worth my time to keep some clones around so I don't have to redo this again. Such a drag. I might have to do this as an in-between grow because it might mess up my EarthBox workflow.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

Thanks for the tips I really appreciate it 👍. I hope I got some females I even planted an extra seed a day ago .....just in case. If there is some females I'm definitely going to keep a clone mother plant. It's just such a cool funky looking plant. And since I do the time lapse I really really want to grow it because it's going to make for a really really cool time lapse. If I need to and it starts growing I'll even use my $1000 mirrorless Sony to get the time lapse pictures so that they're all high def.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

I think the magnesium did the trick. It hasn't progressed since then and she actually been growing even crazier. Those buds are huge and this is just stage one of growth. Still gotta go through the thickening and ripening.

Thanks to everyone that chimed in. Much appreciated ❤️

 

[Rwise]

The Freakshow leaves changed as they went into flower, I did not expect that but that is something they do as well.
I wonder if Humboldt dropped them because you buy 10 seed you dont get 10 plants.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

And I think getting this particular anomaly into feminized seeds is probably very difficult work since even regular seeds seem to have issues

 

[Rwise]

I have seen Feminized seed for sale mostly with "sold out" in the add. So did they really have them?

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

Check this one out. The plant literally came out of the soil did a loop-de-loop and then continued growing straight up 🤣🤣. You can't make this up. Nature's crazy. I have the 3rd seeding FINALLY popping out of the soil. The 2nd seed is starting to grow something after 10 days of doing nothing.

 

[Bluey]

Seedlings sometimes require far too much patience than I have especially when starting out in coco in a large pot.

 

[No3odiesShad0w]

Bluey honestly dude I've had bag seeds that have grown with more resilience and enthusiasm than these freak show seedlings 🤣🤣. It feels like these things are deciding if they want to even live or bother with living much less growing. 🤣. Look I'll persevere. I'm really dead set on getting some really cool time lapse of this plant. I still have 7 more seeds just in case but hopefully I won't need them. I need Black Friday to roll around already so I could order those seedling domes. My seedlings are always in such terrible conditions. I'm sure that didn't help things along. Then the other half of the day I'm just chasing the sunlight with the window sills so that they don't go into flower on me. It's way less than ideal situation.