9fingerleafs
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I used a cheap usb microscope from China. Also took the male and female pictures of the preflowers in the main site. Was 20 bucks I think
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The Trichomes are Whispering, But What Are They Saying?
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Farmbuck
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Yeah a lot of Hash passionate here including myself.
Some good reading here about it:
https://gizmodo.com/hashing-it-out-the-art-and-science-of-pushing-pot-to-i-1563047955
Some good reading here about it:
https://gizmodo.com/hashing-it-out-the-art-and-science-of-pushing-pot-to-i-1563047955
AccidentalGardener
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so that would be...Hashionate? 
bboyfromwayback
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Nice one
grouchyoldman
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JohnEmad, LOL, really! I just "Invented" that trick myself: I found a little clip that could position a cheap 10x loupe in front of my old, lame iPhone. I found I could take acceptably sharp hi-res micro-photos!
I wanted to deliver pics for this posting that a viewer could zoom into and ssurf the Trichome mushroom field, but I think the Forum software has a picture size limit, or something. Still tryin...
Anyways, anyone with a loupe and an iPhone should try this!
I wanted to deliver pics for this posting that a viewer could zoom into and ssurf the Trichome mushroom field, but I think the Forum software has a picture size limit, or something. Still tryin...
Anyways, anyone with a loupe and an iPhone should try this!
grouchyoldman
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grouchyoldman
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SoOrbudgal, That is a *really* good question: Does delaying harvest actually cause Hermi growth, or seeds, or foxtailing for that matter?
In my limited experience, and what I've read, all of those are mostly related to stressing a plant in one way or another, Light, Heat, drought, nute lock(?)
I wonder if a perfectly pampered healthy flowering fem would develop any of those absent some antagonistic external stress?
One thing for certain is that my "Senior Citizen" White Widow is getting a whole lot of yellow leaves! It's like the whole plant is givin it up for the buds. I took a pic that seems like a perfect example of the "Final Push" that my personal guru, BU2B described in his tutorial.
In my limited experience, and what I've read, all of those are mostly related to stressing a plant in one way or another, Light, Heat, drought, nute lock(?)
I wonder if a perfectly pampered healthy flowering fem would develop any of those absent some antagonistic external stress?
One thing for certain is that my "Senior Citizen" White Widow is getting a whole lot of yellow leaves! It's like the whole plant is givin it up for the buds. I took a pic that seems like a perfect example of the "Final Push" that my personal guru, BU2B described in his tutorial.
Farmbuck
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Do you mean hacinado grouchyoldman ? Just kidding !! Well I ask myself at every grow when it's the PERFECT time to harvest. When it's the PERFECT ripening of the flower. When it's the PERFECT combination of trichomes. Tools help to determine when, a few grows under your belt determine when, some knowledges determine when. Exchanging ideas, info's determine when. Learning determine when. Talking between growers determine when. Learning strains's properties determine when. Breeders's specifications determine when. But most of all knowing your strain determine when. Your environment determine when. Bud visualisation determine when.
You know. it's just an ongoing process. Some with success and some with failures.
Yeah also be with your plant everyday help.
So to answer your question " How do YOU know when it's time?", All of the above and my gut feeling..!
Everyone is different so the above may apply to some but not to all.
And remember each time you grow you learn something new.
Cheers,
FarmBuck
You know. it's just an ongoing process. Some with success and some with failures.
Yeah also be with your plant everyday help.
So to answer your question " How do YOU know when it's time?", All of the above and my gut feeling..!
Everyone is different so the above may apply to some but not to all.
And remember each time you grow you learn something new.
Cheers,
FarmBuck
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grouchyoldman
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Change comes at you fast!
This dialog is getting very interesting. I have posted some updated pics below and you can see the overnight advance of the ripening process. It's hard to see in the pics, but a subtle color change is emerging, not so much snowy-white to dark amber, but a more general smoky tint over an entire calyx near the emergence of the rusty pistil. I think you can see much the same thing in the pics posted by 9fingerleafs above, more a "yellow-ing" than amber. That's kind of what Cannoli seems to be hinting at in his article.
The comments above reminding us that there is much more to this than Trichome gazing are spot on. Trichomes are only one metric in a holistic perspective to harvest time. As a grower, I want to understand and utilize as many "Levers" as possible to obtain the desired result. My background includes a great fondness for good wine and I've spent a lot of time prowling the vineyards of Napa, Australia, South Africa, etc. I spent a few Autumn months in the Loire valley, harvesting Muscadet grapes with a gang of pot smoking Frenchies. (Oh, to be young again!)
What impressed me most (besides the pleasures of great wine) was the control that the great winemakers had over their final product. That's what I'd like to have over my cannabis harvest.
So, it's definitely not about the percentage of Amber Trichomes as much as what those trichomes really mean in relation to the overall health of the plant, the size & constitution of the buds, etc. Everything FarmBuck & 9fingerleafs mention and probably some we haven't even noticed yet! The most interesting thing to me about Frenchy Cannoli's article was that even our reading of the Trichomes is still somewhat mysterious! Understanding that one aspect is my quest and the purpose of this post.
Despite all that pompous posturing, I'm still floundering in the dark here. I made some trichome color estimate notes on the pics, but it's total guess work.
Paz y Amor compadres,
-Grouchy
This dialog is getting very interesting. I have posted some updated pics below and you can see the overnight advance of the ripening process. It's hard to see in the pics, but a subtle color change is emerging, not so much snowy-white to dark amber, but a more general smoky tint over an entire calyx near the emergence of the rusty pistil. I think you can see much the same thing in the pics posted by 9fingerleafs above, more a "yellow-ing" than amber. That's kind of what Cannoli seems to be hinting at in his article.
The comments above reminding us that there is much more to this than Trichome gazing are spot on. Trichomes are only one metric in a holistic perspective to harvest time. As a grower, I want to understand and utilize as many "Levers" as possible to obtain the desired result. My background includes a great fondness for good wine and I've spent a lot of time prowling the vineyards of Napa, Australia, South Africa, etc. I spent a few Autumn months in the Loire valley, harvesting Muscadet grapes with a gang of pot smoking Frenchies. (Oh, to be young again!)
What impressed me most (besides the pleasures of great wine) was the control that the great winemakers had over their final product. That's what I'd like to have over my cannabis harvest.
So, it's definitely not about the percentage of Amber Trichomes as much as what those trichomes really mean in relation to the overall health of the plant, the size & constitution of the buds, etc. Everything FarmBuck & 9fingerleafs mention and probably some we haven't even noticed yet! The most interesting thing to me about Frenchy Cannoli's article was that even our reading of the Trichomes is still somewhat mysterious! Understanding that one aspect is my quest and the purpose of this post.
Despite all that pompous posturing, I'm still floundering in the dark here. I made some trichome color estimate notes on the pics, but it's total guess work.
Paz y Amor compadres,
-Grouchy
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Farmbuck
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Ah un connaisseur de bons vins, bienvenue dans ma passion mon ami..! You are right sir, I treat my weed like if it's a good Saint-Émilion. Wine is a passion of mine, I'm lucky to have great friends in France who they have relatives working in some well known Châteaux in the Pessac-Léognan area.
Chin Chin mon ami..!
FarmBuck
Chin Chin mon ami..!
FarmBuck
grouchyoldman
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@Farmbuck: Ah yes, Wine & Weed, the basis for a great friendship!
The Saintly Spouse & I have our Christmas Bottle ready: Clos Saint Michel, 2016 Chateauneuf-du-Pape. Yummy!
"Wine is proof that Gawd loves us and wants us to be happy!"
-Benjamin Franklin
The Saintly Spouse & I have our Christmas Bottle ready: Clos Saint Michel, 2016 Chateauneuf-du-Pape. Yummy!
"Wine is proof that Gawd loves us and wants us to be happy!"
-Benjamin Franklin
bboyfromwayback
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Excellent pics Grouchy! That’s about where the plant I put in the dark was the other day looking through a scope. Like your plant my other one is progressing quickly. There was a big change in color between Tuesday night and Wednesday night. I’m hoping there is enough change tonight to get her into the dark so I can harvest over the weekend but I’m holding out for the 50% range regardless of how timing may effect next week for me. We have family coming to stay on Christmas Eve and I’d prefer to get her harvested snd have no lingering smells throughout the house when they arrive😂 I can control the smell during the grow but I don’t trim in my tent so the house always smells dank during a harvest.
Ps I tried the scope trick you and John mentioned and it worked so hopefully I’ll post better closeup pics prior to harvesting the next one
Ps I tried the scope trick you and John mentioned and it worked so hopefully I’ll post better closeup pics prior to harvesting the next one
Farmbuck
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A very good choice my dear grouchyoldman, a nice blend of Grenache & Mouvèdre. Wife and I are thinking of a Barolo for Xmas.
We were lucky to spent a few days in Avignon with some of my Frenchy friends.
Some of my best time spent in that area by going around and have free wine tasting, Lucky at the end of the day I wasn't driving lolll
We were lucky to spent a few days in Avignon with some of my Frenchy friends.
Some of my best time spent in that area by going around and have free wine tasting, Lucky at the end of the day I wasn't driving lolll
bboyfromwayback
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Going into the closet once the lights go off. In about a month I’ll see what high grade has to say between 20% amber and 50%. She may be even more than 50 by the time I harvest. Drastic change overnight.
Added the pic from the first plant for comparison. I hadn’t learned the scope up to the phone trick yet when I took it but the tris were roughly 20%. This is when I’ve always harvested
Added the pic from the first plant for comparison. I hadn’t learned the scope up to the phone trick yet when I took it but the tris were roughly 20%. This is when I’ve always harvested
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SoOrbudgal
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So are you placing the whole plant and pot into a dark area for 30days is this what you mean? Sorry i'm a tad slow on the uptake. 
grouchyoldman
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White Widow Goin Dark
Well, this experiment is all over except the smokin!
The day before yesterday I noticed that at least half of the trichomes on most of the branches had turned yellow/brown virtually overnight. That was my signal to turn off the lights and prepare for harvest. I did end up considering the more holistic approach suggested above and all the signs were right; the buds were tight and plump, the leaves had pretty much given all they had to give, there was hardly a white pistil to be found and, well, she was just plain ready. So I harvested this morning, week 11, day 6 of flowering.
The humidity here is really low right now, 36% RH, so I'm doing what I can to slow down the drying process. That includes hanging the entire plant to dry rather than separating the branches. I don't have a humidifier, so I improvised with a wet towel hung over the floor fan. That seems to be working slowly, we're up to 45% RH this afternoon. I did snip the fan leaves so they don't make the trim any harder than needs be.
This is the longest I've ever waited so it's a genuine Late Harvest with plenty of amber. In a few weeks, after drying & a bit of cure, we'll see if it was worth it.
Merry Christmasssss, and thanks to everyone who contributed.
-Grouchy
Well, this experiment is all over except the smokin!
The day before yesterday I noticed that at least half of the trichomes on most of the branches had turned yellow/brown virtually overnight. That was my signal to turn off the lights and prepare for harvest. I did end up considering the more holistic approach suggested above and all the signs were right; the buds were tight and plump, the leaves had pretty much given all they had to give, there was hardly a white pistil to be found and, well, she was just plain ready. So I harvested this morning, week 11, day 6 of flowering.
The humidity here is really low right now, 36% RH, so I'm doing what I can to slow down the drying process. That includes hanging the entire plant to dry rather than separating the branches. I don't have a humidifier, so I improvised with a wet towel hung over the floor fan. That seems to be working slowly, we're up to 45% RH this afternoon. I did snip the fan leaves so they don't make the trim any harder than needs be.
This is the longest I've ever waited so it's a genuine Late Harvest with plenty of amber. In a few weeks, after drying & a bit of cure, we'll see if it was worth it.
Merry Christmasssss, and thanks to everyone who contributed.
-Grouchy
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YYCannabis
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@soorbudgal...sounds like you’re in nute lock 😂 Do you need a pH water flush?
bboyfromwayback
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Lol SoOrbudgal I can’t keep baby in the closet that long!!! I only meant I’ll test her once she’s dried and cured a few weeks
bboyfromwayback
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My plant had a big change overnight as well. Like you, this is the longest I’ve ever let one go. Hopefully we’ll have some good smoke to reward our patience 😉