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Well TOKABIGONE once I'm done with my kief I keep the rest of my grinding buds in the freezer until I'm ready to do wife's cream or oil. She said mine is more potent that the one purchased.
 
I’m here in the Pacific NorthWet and even in my controlled room my buds dried out into the 40s after a week of drying. That surprised me. I put them in jars with 58% Boveda and they slowly rose to where they needed to be in about a week. They seem fine. I chose to go with 58% for my bulk jars and use 62% in my smaller jars for pot I’m currently using.

Good job on your first grow.
 
Hey MrPNW , How are you? Having lived for 70 yrs in the Willamette Valley, I do appreciate the pun with Pacific NorthWet, lol !! I know Seattle gets a lot more. Yeah, I believe in the Boveda now in spite of the many negative Amazon reviews. I will be switching to 58% pacs in about a month for a more permanent cure and storage RH. I also tested the reconstituting of the dried crispy pacs. 24 hrs and squeeze them to break up the salts and use them...good as new! Store them in a glass jar closed very tight and they will be usable for a long time.
 
Thanks Bud, Farmbuck, I think I have a direction now for this crop. I like your method of dry sift but I like the dry ice idea too so one way or another I will commit 2 oz (55g) to kief for a couple grams of hash just to try my hand at it. Then I can take the leftovers and do a quick wash with Everclear 190 and reduce it to some oil for candy. Wont get much of either probably but I'm ok with starting small. When I get something special I will know what to do with it that way, non?
 
Agree with FB, I think there will still be a goodly amount of cannabinoids after sifting. It came up in another thread. My theory is there are plenty of strong strains that don’t frost up very much so the thc has to be sitting somewhere other than just in the trichomes, and the sift process won’t be 100% efficient as well. Even with qwet, where it should arguably be more efficient than sifting for pulling out the good stuff, people run the same plant material through the solvent more than once. As for how long to cure before sifting, since it is the trichomes you are targeting I speculate curing isn’t as important. More important if you put it in a wash.
 
Yessir, I agree with both of you. Since, as you say, the kief does not need to cure I can do the sift then jar the leftover bud to cure a few more weeks before I extract, right? That makes the most sense to me.
 
Oops, I’m thinking about the curing question a little more.... I’ve only tried bubble hash making once because it was so astringent tasting it was hard to use. I think I still have a little container of the stuff somewhere collecting dust. I suspect now that curing it first may have helped the flavour.
 
Like I said in some of my previous posts TOKABIGONE my method may not apply to all of us. Maybe one day I'll try my hand on dry ice method but it better be soon cuz I ain't getting any younger !!
 
TOKABIGONE asks a good question:

" Can I add the used bud after dry ice sift to the other oz for tincture with alcohol? I would think there would still be cannabinoids left that could be extracted with the alcohol, right or no?"
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That's a good question and the answer is that there is certainly some THC left after sieving, but the amount isn't clear. Is it worth putting the residue through a QWET extraction? I took an empirical look at that with the following results. (note, I'm using "THC" here to mean all cannaboids including CBD, CBN etc.)

The issue boils down to whether you should use your precious EverClear 190 alcohol to extract the residual from depleted weed. I am lucky to have an easy & fairly inexpensive source of 190 ethanol (EverClear) here in MA. Elsewhere it can be very expensive or unavailable. So, I don't bother attempting to reclaim the alcohol from my tincture, I just evaporate it away down to the concentration I want. Since I grew the weed for my consumption, one way or the other, my cost for a batch is few oz of EverClear.

The QWET extraction is pretty effective, about 75% of the THC in the bud is transferred to the alcohol. So a typical batch for me is about ten grams of herb and six ounces of EverClear. If the weed has 20% THC and I can extract 75% of that from my 10 grams (=10,000 miligrams), then I'll end up with about 1500 miligrams of THC. Here's the math:

10,000mg x .20(%) x .75(%) = 1500mg of extracted THC dissolved in my six ounces of EverClear. A typical dose might be 15mg of THC, so you've just made 100 "normal" doses of tincture. Cost is 10grams of my stash and about $5.00 worth of EverClear for 100 doses.

If you do the same calc on depleted weed with say 75% already extracted using dry ice, so your herb is down to 5% THC instead of 20%. Our same 10,000mg of depleted weed now only has 500mg left to give and QWET can only extract 75% of that, so we end up with 375mg, about 25 normal doses. Your cost is still about $5.00 worth of EverClear, for about 25 doses. Adding the depleted weed to fresh doesn't help because you'll need more alcohol to extract from the increased weed. 6 oz alcohol for 10 grams, 12 oz for 20 grams, etc.

In all fairness, many tincture aficionados reclaim the alcohol used in extraction, so, why not try to get the last trichomes?

That said, I doubt I'll ever try to salvage anything out of the soggy mess resulting from my bubble bag adventures , but that's just me.

I hope this is helpful and welcome any corrections or suggestions from more experienced Tinturados.

-Grouchy
 
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Hey grouchyoldman, great comment, thanks. I will do dry sift so I won't have the soggy mess from bubble. I just can't bring myself to throw out an oz of nice dry cured bud even if there is only a small amount of cannabinoid left, I want it! $16 (Cheap in AZ) for a fifth of Everclear. 2 separate batches so 2 strengths of tincture to play with. Thanks for taking your time to do the math.
 
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toka, don't forget to Decarb the cured herb OR the sieve dust before you QWET. Tincture decarbs naturally but it takes a few months to reach full potency.
 
Bumped this old thread for an UPDATE: first grow is now cured in the jar for 13 weeks. It has definitely improved in both potency and smooth smoking. Seeds for my next go are in a glass of water for 24 hrs now so with luck 3 Auto Maui Sativa should be rooted by tomorrow or the next morning. I'm ready...ETS is wearing on me!

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I'm autosure you will a wonderful autogrow sir..! This morning I had two autogirls tie down as part of the LST training. I'm a bit nervous cuz they are not as big as photos.

Good luck TOKABIGONE with your autogirls.
 
The results are in for my auto grow: 4" NL: 3.5g. Lemon: 12g. NL Chewy: 16g. Total of three plants: one ounce and one eighth. Two pint jars. TOKABIGONE Good luck, you have to beat this one. :joy:
 
Puglover1 Not that I want to be an arrogant old fart but my goal with this grow(AutoBuck project) is around 400 grams with 14 autos. When I mean 400, I mean 400 grams dry not wet. Après tout je cultive pour produire que du Hash non ?

............................................................................................................. OK !! Maybe 140 grams no less.
 
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My goal is to take these plants to harvest with good flavor and fair yield plus learn more about growing plants and quality grow medium.
 
Farmbuck your Canadian math has be confused. Are you talking grams of kief or dry weed?

I'm amazed that 3 plants totaled just over 1 oz, that was after harvesting in sections to maximize yield. I'm laughing, not complaining, it just seems absurd to me.
 
TOKABIGONE I'm on my 3rd, two of the plants are growing fast. I was just down a video rabbit hole from youtube to IG to several accts to a blog that led me right back here. I need to go water and top one, look at the 2nd one, take a node count. Guess what the cat's favorite toy is? Plant Twisty Ties. I have two new reels, first grow he kept stealing pieces as I adjusted plants. Autos didn't need them, I find pieces in the basement, under the bed, all over the house. Double whammy for the closet.
 
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