Rootsruler
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SOIL Starting my second battle soon. Questions + tips? advice?
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realhuuuman420
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Hello, I am back with some fresh porn. The plant is now 23 days old.
Two questions:
Also, like one or two of the upper branches are having some reddening in the stems - seems to be coming from the leaves and towards the main stem. Cause for concern?
Two questions:
- Are the drooping leaves + slight discoloration becoming an issue? The drooping just happened last night, and I'm not sure why. Temps and rH are acceptable (23-25C and 44-55%) and so far I've watered around every 3 days, using a scale to determine if it needs water or not yet. At first I only gave it around 350ml, now increased to 550ml. Should I now begin to give it a really good watering until I get some good runoff?
The discoloration is barely visible on the photos, but it is much more pronounced in real life. You can see it best on the lowest fan leaves on pic 4. - Watering concern: so if you look at my pants, the opening is smaller than the rest of them. I am not sure if when I water, does the water get everywhere, or only in the middle where the opening is? Should I be pouring water all over my pants so it goes through the textile? Is that a thing?
Also, like one or two of the upper branches are having some reddening in the stems - seems to be coming from the leaves and towards the main stem. Cause for concern?
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Bluey
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Your plants look perfectly fine. Really good.
Droopy leaves during this stage is not unusual. Sure they may be a fraction overwatered (minor mottling, well thats what I call it anyway)but I wouldn't go changing anything because it won't be long until they burst forward and pick up.
This is the period I think plants show growing pains of this type and everything I am seeing is consistent with a plant at this stage. You could add a small amount of calmag (seeing a fraction pigment loss) but it is so minimal I would just keep monitoring.
Good job.
Edit. The mottling is where you tend to see like elongated bubbles or blisters on the leaf surface, a raised area. I'm pretty sure it is related to watering but it could also be genetics or just growing pains during this period.. I often get it growing in coco but it doesn't seem to cause any problems and it only seems to happen when they are drooping.
Droopy leaves during this stage is not unusual. Sure they may be a fraction overwatered (minor mottling, well thats what I call it anyway)but I wouldn't go changing anything because it won't be long until they burst forward and pick up.
This is the period I think plants show growing pains of this type and everything I am seeing is consistent with a plant at this stage. You could add a small amount of calmag (seeing a fraction pigment loss) but it is so minimal I would just keep monitoring.
Good job.
Edit. The mottling is where you tend to see like elongated bubbles or blisters on the leaf surface, a raised area. I'm pretty sure it is related to watering but it could also be genetics or just growing pains during this period.. I often get it growing in coco but it doesn't seem to cause any problems and it only seems to happen when they are drooping.
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realhuuuman420
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Gotcha, thanks, Bluey! Super happy it's nothing to worry about too much. I'll keep up the... patience 
Gingerbeard
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You must have found a good Indica, realhuuuman420. Been four days since your last post!
When you say you think something is happening too fast or too slow, buddy, you do not yet know what too fast or too slow is. This is coming along to be your first successful grow. This is your litmus test.
Figure cannabis has been doing its thing, naturally, for a few years. It knows what it likes for leaf spread. We only move and remove things to help the plant do what it already knows what to do. Worry more about leaves blocking flowers, less about leaves blocking leaves. There's a lot of science in what we do, but there is also a lot of philosophy.
When you say you think something is happening too fast or too slow, buddy, you do not yet know what too fast or too slow is. This is coming along to be your first successful grow. This is your litmus test.
Figure cannabis has been doing its thing, naturally, for a few years. It knows what it likes for leaf spread. We only move and remove things to help the plant do what it already knows what to do. Worry more about leaves blocking flowers, less about leaves blocking leaves. There's a lot of science in what we do, but there is also a lot of philosophy.
realhuuuman420
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IT IS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL!
Jeesus. Look at this monstrosity. Help. Soon it will start consuming the house.
Jokes aside, it seems REALLY dense to me. Most of the plant is in shadow because the top leaves are blocking out the light.
So, should I cut anything? If the only danger here is smaller yield, I don't mind that, I think it will be decent either way, right?
But there are a lot of those 'suckers' or whatdoyoucallthem. They grow from the 'armpits' of already established stems. Should I cut those?
It's still growing, both vertically and horizontally. Oh god. I need a garden for this, not a tent.
The discoloration seems to not exist on the latest leaves - but I will be g iving it a little bit of calmag with next watering (probably today or tomorrow, will see how heavy my ass is)
Also the plant seems to droop a lot, and springs back up whenever I water, not sure if that's normal? Am I giving too little water? Last watering was only around 500 ml, but the plant was half its current size omg.
Gingerbeard , I did get a really good indica, that's exactly what happened Instead of checking on it every 2 hours, I just check once a day and am always blasted away at how much it has grown.
This is now 3 and a half weeks from sprout. Rh at 45-55%, temps hovering at 23-25C, gentle breeze on the plant from one fan + a pretty strong exhaust. Have not fed anything so far, only filtered tap water, around 500 ml per watering, every 3-4 days.
Jeesus. Look at this monstrosity. Help. Soon it will start consuming the house.
Jokes aside, it seems REALLY dense to me. Most of the plant is in shadow because the top leaves are blocking out the light.
So, should I cut anything? If the only danger here is smaller yield, I don't mind that, I think it will be decent either way, right?
But there are a lot of those 'suckers' or whatdoyoucallthem. They grow from the 'armpits' of already established stems. Should I cut those?
It's still growing, both vertically and horizontally. Oh god. I need a garden for this, not a tent.
The discoloration seems to not exist on the latest leaves - but I will be g iving it a little bit of calmag with next watering (probably today or tomorrow, will see how heavy my ass is)
Also the plant seems to droop a lot, and springs back up whenever I water, not sure if that's normal? Am I giving too little water? Last watering was only around 500 ml, but the plant was half its current size omg.
Gingerbeard , I did get a really good indica, that's exactly what happened
Instead of checking on it every 2 hours, I just check once a day and am always blasted away at how much it has grown.This is now 3 and a half weeks from sprout. Rh at 45-55%, temps hovering at 23-25C, gentle breeze on the plant from one fan + a pretty strong exhaust. Have not fed anything so far, only filtered tap water, around 500 ml per watering, every 3-4 days.
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Rootsruler
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Try not to water in measured amounts just water until you start to see water come out the bottom. Don't water too fast either. Water in 1/4 liter at a time.
Gingerbeard
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D'ang! That's getting to be quite a bush you got going in your pants!
Me, personally, what I do but do not recommend for fear of taking the blame for killing your plant is get rid of the major fan leaves except the top two sets. If you do it, your garage might fall down and your car will get a radiator leak so don't do it, get me? Then take a look at LST jut to keep your main cola in line with the sides.
As far as removing anything that produces a flower, leave it. This is on course to be your first successful grow. Use it to see what grows where and what grows and what they give. Next grow worry about suckers.
Your soil is cooling. Whatever pH buffers were in your soil are flushing out along with all the veg nutrients. Start watching your pH. That might be part of the problem with your lower leaves. Although it is normal for lowers to discolor, yours are a bit young to do so without help.
Me, personally, what I do but do not recommend for fear of taking the blame for killing your plant is get rid of the major fan leaves except the top two sets. If you do it, your garage might fall down and your car will get a radiator leak so don't do it, get me? Then take a look at LST jut to keep your main cola in line with the sides.
As far as removing anything that produces a flower, leave it. This is on course to be your first successful grow. Use it to see what grows where and what grows and what they give. Next grow worry about suckers.
Your soil is cooling. Whatever pH buffers were in your soil are flushing out along with all the veg nutrients. Start watching your pH. That might be part of the problem with your lower leaves. Although it is normal for lowers to discolor, yours are a bit young to do so without help.
realhuuuman420
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Got it, Bluey , will take a look at the tutorials. Thanks!
Rootsruler - I was indeed wondering about when do I start watering till runoff. Could have probably started much earlier, as it does feel like I am not giving it enough water. Thanks, noted!
Gingerbeard - I suppose your advice is in line with what Bluey says, I'll look into the tutorials section and see what I can do. But intuitively I know you're right, those fan leaves are absolutely gigantic. Will start checking pH of the runoff as well.
Many thanks all of you. If I don't post within a week, it means the plant has consumed me and we are now one.
Rootsruler - I was indeed wondering about when do I start watering till runoff. Could have probably started much earlier, as it does feel like I am not giving it enough water. Thanks, noted!
Gingerbeard - I suppose your advice is in line with what Bluey says, I'll look into the tutorials section and see what I can do. But intuitively I know you're right, those fan leaves are absolutely gigantic. Will start checking pH of the runoff as well.
Many thanks all of you. If I don't post within a week, it means the plant has consumed me and we are now one.
Gingerbeard
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That would be the Audrey syndrome.
realhuuuman420
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Hey, just a quick question. I am all ready to do some mainlining and take off some of the major fan leaves as you guys suggested.
But the plant has now reached the beginning of flowering stage, I can see pistils on the tops. Previously I've been advised to not mess with it anymore when it starts flower.
So what do I do? Should I still get rid of most of the big fan leaves, and maybe do some very light LST - tie some strings and open up the canopy a little bit?
Last thing I want to do is kill it via cutting too much.
But the plant has now reached the beginning of flowering stage, I can see pistils on the tops. Previously I've been advised to not mess with it anymore when it starts flower.
So what do I do? Should I still get rid of most of the big fan leaves, and maybe do some very light LST - tie some strings and open up the canopy a little bit?
Last thing I want to do is kill it via cutting too much.
realhuuuman420
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Shitshitshit. What's going on? I didn't do anything yet!
Two days ago I watered with plenty of water, as advised, until I got some runoff. This just appeared kinda overnight.
unstable pH?? calcium deficiency?
Giving it calmag with next watering (1 or 2 days). Should I give some nutes as well?
Can this be light burn?
Two days ago I watered with plenty of water, as advised, until I got some runoff. This just appeared kinda overnight.
unstable pH?? calcium deficiency?
Giving it calmag with next watering (1 or 2 days). Should I give some nutes as well?
Can this be light burn?
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Gingerbeard
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Since you asked about pH and calcium, what is your pH and have you been adding calmag?
It is not light burn.
It is not light burn.
realhuuuman420
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Gingerbeard I have not added calmag yet and I have not tested pH either, only water, which has roughly 5.9-6.2 ish
Bluey - are you saying this is a deficiency? so ... I should feed it next time then?
Bluey - are you saying this is a deficiency? so ... I should feed it next time then?
Rootsruler
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Dude......do you feed your plants regularly? If so what are you feeding them?
Bluey
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Yes! You've washed out nitrates giving it runoff in a soil grow. Nitrates arent just N either, it's everything that is part of that, eg. Magnesium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, and on & on it goes.
The loss of pigment is most likely as a result of a lack of most nutrients, the beginning of rust spots is a lack of trace elements, the blotchy patches lack of same and can be also be inficative of widely varying pH.
Yes you'll need a quality pH meter and some decent nutes to bring it back on track. Do not over feed. Best start with half strength nutes.
All is not lost.
The loss of pigment is most likely as a result of a lack of most nutrients, the beginning of rust spots is a lack of trace elements, the blotchy patches lack of same and can be also be inficative of widely varying pH.
Yes you'll need a quality pH meter and some decent nutes to bring it back on track. Do not over feed. Best start with half strength nutes.
All is not lost.
realhuuuman420
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So according to the manuals, the nutes in the soil should have lasted approx. 5 weeks-ish, so I did not feed it anything yet.
I have greatly underestimated the amount of nutes a plant of this size needs. Damn! night and day difference from the previous tiny one.
I have greatly underestimated the amount of nutes a plant of this size needs. Damn!
night and day difference from the previous tiny one.
Rootsruler
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This is one of the reasons as to why I don't like to use powdered ferts or time release ferts.
As Bluey mentioned, you've probably used up whatever soil nutrition you had. My opinion is you need to get on a regular feeding program along with having the right tools to make sure everything is on track.
Invest in a quality meter so that you aren't guessing as to whether the readings are valid or not. Bluelab or Apera. I wouldn't trust any of the cheap import pens you find on Amazon.
If you want to feed them organic or salt based nutes, it doesn't matter, but I would go with a liquid based fertilizer to have better control of what your plants are uptaking. Once you get a grasp of grow basics then you can start playing with powdered ferts but before that, again, I would stick with liquid nutes so you can vary your feeds dependent on what the plant wants or needs.
Personally, I would go with salt based for now as they are immediately available to the plant. Also, if you've washed out the nutrient profile in your soil you've most likely washed out most of the microbial life in your soil so organic fertilizers are going to take a minute to break down and become available.
As Bluey mentioned, you've probably used up whatever soil nutrition you had. My opinion is you need to get on a regular feeding program along with having the right tools to make sure everything is on track.
Invest in a quality meter so that you aren't guessing as to whether the readings are valid or not. Bluelab or Apera. I wouldn't trust any of the cheap import pens you find on Amazon.
If you want to feed them organic or salt based nutes, it doesn't matter, but I would go with a liquid based fertilizer to have better control of what your plants are uptaking. Once you get a grasp of grow basics then you can start playing with powdered ferts but before that, again, I would stick with liquid nutes so you can vary your feeds dependent on what the plant wants or needs.
Personally, I would go with salt based for now as they are immediately available to the plant. Also, if you've washed out the nutrient profile in your soil you've most likely washed out most of the microbial life in your soil so organic fertilizers are going to take a minute to break down and become available.