Hi folks. We just booked a vacation, that ended up having to be 3 weeks earlier than planned. As a result, my next/current grow must be rushed. the girls are as seen in the photos, with 6 or 7 nodes. I will have lots of head room so let em get stretchy with the light up high. so now in order to be sure of harvest, i must switch to 12:12 now. My question was gonna be whether I should top em, or do the bending LST thing. I have only done the bending over on autos, not epecially well. As I am writing this, it is becoming obvious that I dont have time for the recovery from cutting them. So I will just finish with question - with this many nodes, the stem is pretty hard. is there a technique someone would suggest to get them bent over to spread them out? Would i supercrop the main stem? Thanks in advance. The photos show the bunch, and then a single to show the typical size.
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Shortened Veg Time. How to Maximize the Grow ?
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SoOrbudgal
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MagicMike66
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No point topping them as they won’t get time to develop into anything big enough to grow bud so better just leaving as a main
OldManGrower
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Howdy Bootsy. If you were to super crop them, they would stay shorter, so you could lower your light. To do the bending: Find where you want to do the bending and squeeze and roll the stem between your fingers until you can feel it soften. Bend it over as far as you feel comfortable doing, then tie it down. I use a big paper clip and wire plant ties on my fabric pots.
Rootsruler
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How long will you be gone for? If it's less than a month then I would top the newest node, set up an auto irrigate system and go on your vacay. I'm assuming your lights are on timers?
f you want to check on them while you're away setup a camera so you can get a visual as to what's happening. I use this one and it does the job.
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I DIYed my own irrigation system and left for 6 weeks. This was at the end of week 2 of flip. My dehumidifier drains into my reservoir so I don't need to top it off much. I made watering rings out of the 1/4" drip feed line but I'm going to replace those with watering plates from Floraflex. It's super easy to make. All you need is a reservoir, a pond pump, a timer, a 6 or 8 port drip distribution head and a roll of 1,4" drip feed line. 6" riser to mount the distro head and a 1/2" barbed adapter to connect the pump to the distro head.
f you want to check on them while you're away setup a camera so you can get a visual as to what's happening. I use this one and it does the job.
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I DIYed my own irrigation system and left for 6 weeks. This was at the end of week 2 of flip. My dehumidifier drains into my reservoir so I don't need to top it off much. I made watering rings out of the 1/4" drip feed line but I'm going to replace those with watering plates from Floraflex. It's super easy to make. All you need is a reservoir, a pond pump, a timer, a 6 or 8 port drip distribution head and a roll of 1,4" drip feed line. 6" riser to mount the distro head and a 1/2" barbed adapter to connect the pump to the distro head.
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alltatup
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Bootsy I know I'm stating the obvious, but they are just too small to flip to flower. You certainly don't have time to do any kind of training that would shorten them even more.
As Nebula says, the secret sauce to a good flowering is to let them veg long enough. Ya know, it's just not fair the way life interferes with our growing schedules!
As Nebula says, the secret sauce to a good flowering is to let them veg long enough. Ya know, it's just not fair the way life interferes with our growing schedules!
Hi. sorry , but I disagree, having grown mini plants several times before, but when planned and not rushed - I will get something worthwhile. The issue I expect is apical dominance and getting branching happening to best produce. I want to get as much as I can from the unplanned situation.
thanks for the interest. I am very curious and am gonna post as these babies grow, and will try to be not-wordy. I am doing LST only, and tarted 2 Sep. attached are photos of the day started, and this morning. One thing i like is that there were 2 strains i really wanted, and they are both responding well - Durban Poison and Rose Garden. Cheers all.
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Rootsruler
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I understand Nebulas claim but it depends on the context and condition of the grow.
3 letters would dispel Nebulas claim. SOG.
Honestly, and this could be broscience as I have no empirical fact to back it up, from what I know of basic plant biology, it would seem that a younger plant would have more vigor than a larger, more mature plant. Plants, like humans, go through hormonal changes the older they get. It would seem desirable to use the younger growth hormones to effectuate larger, denser flowers with higher trichome counts.
I guess a good parallel would be to compare an 18 yr old lifter to a 40 yr old lifter. If they both used the same nutrition and workout program I can say that the 18 yr old would see more gains faster. Why? He's at a stage in his physical development where HGH is peaking. I would say if you can determine where that peak is for weed you could take advantage and use it to improve yield and quality.
3 letters would dispel Nebulas claim. SOG.
Honestly, and this could be broscience as I have no empirical fact to back it up, from what I know of basic plant biology, it would seem that a younger plant would have more vigor than a larger, more mature plant. Plants, like humans, go through hormonal changes the older they get. It would seem desirable to use the younger growth hormones to effectuate larger, denser flowers with higher trichome counts.
I guess a good parallel would be to compare an 18 yr old lifter to a 40 yr old lifter. If they both used the same nutrition and workout program I can say that the 18 yr old would see more gains faster. Why? He's at a stage in his physical development where HGH is peaking. I would say if you can determine where that peak is for weed you could take advantage and use it to improve yield and quality.
alltatup
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Rootsruler Comparing weightlifters to cannabis plants is just silly. There's no basis for such a comparison. We all know that a photoperiod cannabis plant has to vegetate long enough to pick up growth steam before it's ready to switch to flower.
Rootsruler
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alltatup - I'd love to see the science confirming that. I've grown countless SOG style grows. Explain to me how the flower quality suffers. Yield wise I can produce as much quality flower as a scrog or traditional grow in SOG so no real advantage.
I could very well be wrong so I'm offering you the chance to confirm that this is the case.
I could very well be wrong so I'm offering you the chance to confirm that this is the case.
alltatup
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Ok, Rootsruler We may not be understanding each other. I'm talking veg length--not plant height. We can fiddle with lights to accommodate shorter, scrogged plants, but we can't fiddle with nothing if the plants are not mature enough when we flip to flower.
How many weeks does it take to set up a good SCROG or SOG before flipping to flower? It adds some weeks of veg time to use that technique. I always mainline my plants, so that adds time to my veg. LST techniques are going to lengthen veg time. Again: my point is not how tall they get, but how much time they've had in veg. We all know what a plant looks like in veg when it's begging to be flipped to flower, when it's ready. There are dozens of websites warning that a precipitous flip to flower will result in a smaller yield, so you don't need me listing them.
I grow in two BCNL grow boxes with 36" vertical limit, so I have​ to be careful with how tall my plants get in veg. Even with my limitations, but using my LST techniques, I usually veg for a full 7 weeks before the flip. I grow strictly photoperiod plants, mostly hybrid with a good flower stretch, and I end up having to super crop which gives me a horizontal grow and takes best advantage of the lights.
We all have to adjust what we do according to our grow rooms and climates. Bootsy originally wrote that s/he had to flip 3 weeks earlier than originally anticipated: we don't know how many weeks the plants had already been vegging: was it 3 or 6 weeks? It would make a big difference.
This is what the end of flower looks like for me: everything stretched horizontally under the light. No larfy bud. Not the largest harvest I could get, but all the bud is top shelf quality. Just so you can see what I do with my growing conditions.
How many weeks does it take to set up a good SCROG or SOG before flipping to flower? It adds some weeks of veg time to use that technique. I always mainline my plants, so that adds time to my veg. LST techniques are going to lengthen veg time. Again: my point is not how tall they get, but how much time they've had in veg. We all know what a plant looks like in veg when it's begging to be flipped to flower, when it's ready. There are dozens of websites warning that a precipitous flip to flower will result in a smaller yield, so you don't need me listing them.
I grow in two BCNL grow boxes with 36" vertical limit, so I have​ to be careful with how tall my plants get in veg. Even with my limitations, but using my LST techniques, I usually veg for a full 7 weeks before the flip. I grow strictly photoperiod plants, mostly hybrid with a good flower stretch, and I end up having to super crop which gives me a horizontal grow and takes best advantage of the lights.
We all have to adjust what we do according to our grow rooms and climates. Bootsy originally wrote that s/he had to flip 3 weeks earlier than originally anticipated: we don't know how many weeks the plants had already been vegging: was it 3 or 6 weeks? It would make a big difference.
This is what the end of flower looks like for me: everything stretched horizontally under the light. No larfy bud. Not the largest harvest I could get, but all the bud is top shelf quality. Just so you can see what I do with my growing conditions.
SoOrbudgal
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Rootsruler
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In SOG I veg no more than a few weeks before I flip.Trim side branching and use apical dominance to my advantage.
Photos this morning. I didnt do any cutting, jusr bending LST with results as seen. No question that the haul wont be super large but doing what I can. All except one are well into flowering but one. Criticall Mass is just barely showing some pistils (see photo) and is very odd in my experience- so maybe she couldnt go into flower that early. I am guessing the hardest part of this grow will be to get some spread between the buds due to lack of length, but will see. Also - i now expect the critical mass will not finish in time, but I do have a home for one of the girls later on so will see, and this now has become a fun challenge. More next week. Yeah - i know - gotta work on my photography. Time to try out my new torch (old knives though) and contemplate the storm Lee just hitting.
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