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Revised taxonomy of Cannabis

D.A.A.S.69 I agree. Scientists can crank out some pretty unuseable data sometimes, which doesn't really answer the questions we have. I'm betting that there is no data proving that cannabis does not get any stronger after a proper cure. Silence.....
 
alltatup I bet you are right again.I'd much rather trust any sure enough old long time pothead, than a scientist, about that .
Ain't nothin wrong with some science,
though. They just never admit they might be wrong.lol
Can't wait until this Christmas, I know I'm getting one of those Nova, or Ardent, or whatever they are called. This year. Didn't happen last year.

Is that still the best one to smoke dry bud in?
Later S.
 
D.A.A.S.69 You're getting an Ardent Nova? That's awesome!!!! Now you know it's a machine for decarbing your bud, right? So you don't "smoke dry bud" in; you decarb the bud so it's potent without need for any more heat.

So if you wanna make edibles or just eat some whole bud, it's decarbed and you'll get high as shit. I love the way it makes bud smell: the aroma's intense. Then I put it back in the jar and pretend that it's curing. And maybe it is, because it's at about 60% RH.

I decarbed some of my recent harvest around 10 days after I dried it, and it makes a mighty fine vape. I still bet that the bud I'm curing will be much better. So I ain't touchin the OG Kush, the Tangerine Dream or the Northern Light until they have cured for 2 months. Then I'll vape first thing in the morning and Know the Truth.

Then I want to decarb some of the cured bud, to see what that adds to the mix. My weed buddy says the decarbed bud I prepare is always better than the other stuff he gets.
 
alltatup Thank you for that information, that's very valuable to me!!
Heck yeah, I'm getting an Ardent Nova ,like yours ,can't wait to try it either,!!! I get email from them all the time.But I'm sure you do too.
We are gonna try to get one for Dry Bud too, if possible, I might have to Give some of my bud, to a couple of cousins, and hope I get a nice tip from them though.lol
But if you were to buy one for DryBud, what would you get ? I know you get what you pay for, that's why that Atmos,Pos, was so cheap,I reckon..You have to suck your brains out, an only get very little fog, come out,when you xhale, a real pos.imo.
Would you get the Bickle,or something else, as long as it ain't over 3-4hundred bucks, we should be good to go.
Your information is very valuable! !
I know you got some killer stuff, I bet your friend, is fryed, when he leaves your house.lol
Reason I'm asking, is my new Doctor did a lung wash, and took byopcys, last week while i was asleep,and just called us an hour or two ago, and said my lungs, were in great shape, and She knows about my mj, smoking, she said they looked great for my age, an no Big C, anywhere, But She did say I should get a vape machine, lol,
Thanks again S, for all your information, sorry this was so long, though.
Have a great evening.
 
alltatup said:
DrPhoton


1. Clarke's new book is available online (though I ordered a hard copy). Look up the title Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany and you will find pdf of the book. I don't think the book addresses this issue, but I know that the authors go in depth into the newly proposed taxonomy of sub-species--a subject still dear to my heart.

2.Conversion of CBG during curing: http://www.marijuanaresources.com/ma...ention-detail/

3. Colorado Pot Guide: https://www.coloradopotguide.com/col...o-it-properly/
I wrote to them asking them for the sources used in the article, because I couldn't contact the author. Her website was gone. We shall see if they respond.

4. https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/...​​​​ This is from THC farmer and I took a lot of my own notes from this page.

None of these pages include sources, so I continue to scour the internet for academic articles that address the issue. I tend to conclude that, with so many folks affirming not only a smoother smoke but also a more powerful smoke after curing, that all of the metabolic processes occuring after harvest conspire to make the bud stronger--not simply to increase THC, but to mellow and mature the terpenes which we already know are an important component of the type of effects the bud has.

Now, I have one favor to ask of you:

Please provide me with the link to any scientific article you have the confirms that potency is not increased by proper curing.
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Nothing of value in any of those articles. Just anecdotal.

Im not arguing over the aspect of percieved potency with curing, only what reasoning is used to make the conclusions. I think there is a definite perceived difference. But the reason likely resides outside that of cannabinoids.

The research on long term stability of cannabinoids has been ongoing since the early 70s. This was of big interest for forensic examination with siezed products. These studies were able to find clear relationships between thc and cbn, to ascertain the age of products being tested. This is not possible without the clear degradation of thc to cbn.

Stability of cannabinoids in stored plant material. Carlton.E Turner 1973.

CBN and D9 THC concentration ratio as an indicator of the age of stored marijuana samples. S.A Ross 1999.

Long term stability of cannabis resin and cannabis extracts. Christian Lindhols 2010.

These are probably the three main articles of interest. The 1973 and 1999 papers show conclusive evidence of the degradation process of stored cannabis. The 1999 is the often cited paper with articles relating to cannabis storage.

The other paper of interest is the one by christian in 2010, where the major cannabinoids were measured with long term storage of cannabis. Of which CBG was found to be stable over this time perioid, except for those exposed to light (supports the theory on photosynthesis). Without the conversion of CBG, there can not be any biosynthesis and or increase in "potential THC".

There are many more studies that are cited within these papers which follow the same lines of conclusions with respect to THC degradation. The conclusion on biosynthesis can be made by looking at the CBG results in these research papers.
 
I find Dr. Photon discussion of anecdotal evidence vs proof to be profound. I have tried jar curing for last 3 years and have found it to be a myth. 50 years smoking and 30 years growing the experience I have had confirms all what Photon discusses. My experience is anecdotal evidence not scientific proof.
 
And your articles are likewise useless to me. I didn't ask about the degradation of cannabis, photon: I asked for an article proving that potency does not increase during the cure. I didn't ask about storage. I conclude that since you didn't have that information, you took the discussion in another direction.

I get the impression that you can't admit it when you don't have the evidence to back up your claim; that's intellectual dishonesty--an inability to be honest with yourself about the limits of your knowledge.

You lead discussions down rabbit holes. You obfuscate, muddy the water, and derail discussions. I am going to block you, because I choose not to go through this with you again. You aren't here for friendly discussion and exchange. You're here to win.
 
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I was not the one who made the claim on cannabinoid biosynthesis after harvest, you were. I simply stated that all current evidence suggests otherwise. Your reference to R clarke fell through so you then offered us to see your "research" but they were unfortunately not acceptable. They were just people writing their thoughts. Then you ask me to provide some research for you.

My research is valid unless you want to discuss otherwise, thats why we are here. To find the answers. The processes for curing is very similar to the protocols of storage. Just because its not classified as curing does not mean its not applicable.

Im always happy to continue the discussions, if your not wanting to continue thats fine.
 
"a subject still dear to my heart."

“Ah Love! could thou and I with Fate conspire
To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
Would not we shatter it to bits -- and then
Re-mould it nearer to the Heart's Desire!”


― Omar Khayyam
 
alltatup, like i said ,even REAl, scientists never admit they might be wrong, ive also read many times if you dont use the same kind of light they use, your using the wrong kind of light,lol by the way how do you Block
people on here.
Have a great day S, dont let this stuff, bother you.Same for the curing in jars is a myth.Could possibly be the same folks, but I could care less, if they are not.,i don't listen to either one of them, anyway.lol, and never will.
Again how do you Block folks, I asked Shotgun, but I forgot.
Later .
 
Read few of these post, I fish an hunt alot, and when I out am there and look around mother nature dose most all of it, so I am going enjoy what mother nature produce,
 
Okay. Having watched it, it’s clear I need to at least hear it again, but I was embarrassed for Clarke in his pronouncement that all the traditional taxonomy is wrong, everything’s backwards because said-so. Great respect for the man’s work, but that was preposterous. He was confusing, and seemed like he had little to say that boosted the conversation’s S:N ratio. Color me *definitely not*, not until there’s a reason to, like facts and a cogent argument, that’s always a nice place to start.
 
Yea i am in the same boat. Definitely a possibility. But just a hypothesis as this stage. Nothing worth definitively stating what is and is not. Its worthy of a discussion but no way a statement for "likely" or "is".
 
Well, I'm busy reading his new book which is available online free as pdf-- a nice and generous gesture on the two authors' parts. I'm in the section that discusses the history of Cannabis taxonomy.
 
I will seek out Clarke’s new book: I have great respect for the man, and I will give his case an open-minded hearing. What’s the title, please?
 
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