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pH questions

That was what originally started all of this mess. lol I checked runoff of all 4 of these plants they were all a bit low. All 4 were under 6.2, 1 plant was almost 6.0.

Which leads me to why I thought phosphorus def, it is best taken up at 6.2 and above. The plant still get some in this range but have to fight to get it.

Lower leaves yellowing then browning and wilting. Do have what seems like a shine to them, feel crispy and red stems (but this could be strain related), all phosphorous deficiency related.

So now 1 plant has been flushed and 1 plant has been fed a bit heavier. Im going to watch and see what plant has the better reaction and go with the route that was used to fix that plant to save the rest.

If it is nitrogen or phosphorous deficiency the plant fed should get better and the flushed plant should worsen.

If its lockout the plant that got fed should worsen and the flushed plant should get healthier.

Correct me if I am wrong but this is my logic.
 
Okay well I think my plants have already spoken.. LoL

I checked the runoff from the plant I fed before leaving for work. For gits and shiggles. Its runoff was 6.6 pH and 1550 ppm hahaha. I did just feed a massive dose though so I expected that.

This plant perked right back up looks fine. No worse for the wear from the 1700 ppm in week 4 of flower.

The plant I flushed is worse significantly. 2 leaves have half curled in on themselves and died within one day since flushing.

So deficiency it is!!

So now my issue is, this plant is food deprived terribly and it will likely be 4 days before shes dry enough to feed.

Is there any thing I can do to get her food?

Is it too late to make up a foliar boost? 30 days into flower. I know its a terrible time to attempt this but what if I foliar before lights out and put and extra fan pointing at her..
 
Well, shit. That's how I get when I'm hungry too. I'm glad you got that troubleshot.

Since you're in smart pots, you could poke a hole in the fabric and feed in an air hose like for a bubbler for DWC. That will help dry out your soil and keep your roots from drowning. My next soil grow, I'm going to put a piece of soaker hose with an air hose poking into it so I can give the soil some air every once in a while.

Right now, I've got my 7 gallon grow bag sitting on top of a 10 inch air stone in the bottom of the kitty litter pan. I have no idea if it helps, but it's fun.
 
So I am still a bit confused. lmao

I just watered the other 2 plants.. Because all 4 are showing the same issues, low ph runoff and exact same symptoms I assumed deficiency in all 4. So I fed a low dose of food at 6.3 pH at 650 ppm. Heavy feed was last water I did not want to cause lockout. Next water will be water only for sure.

Well here is where things get confusing.

The healthiest of all 4 plants(the smaller black) had a runoff of 6.65 pH but the ppm was an astonishing 1500. Thats really weird because I just only fed 650 ppm.

The second sickest plant(grape god) had a runoff of 6.5 pH and 1100 ppm. Same situation only fed 650 ppm and way higher runoff.

Is this actually a sign of a lockout scenario? I am so lost and confused with this right now... uhhg
 
Geez....I'm not sure but you may want to give em a few days to see what the response is to the feeding. If your ph is right which it is and you just flushed and now fed I don't know what else ya can do.
 
I only flushed the one plant the sickest. The other 3 have only been fed. I have not fed, flushed the same plants so close together.
 
Hey Man flushing is hell, on a plant, especially in soil, not so much in coco, but it's still hard on them.
Everyone is different, but I like to see a little tip burn every now and then, and I feed mine as heavy as I can, the whole grow, except right at the end. Then I use Overdrive. But you have got to keep feeding,constantly or else your gonna see some deficiencies.
 
Yea this entire thing is confusing. I may actually have to sit down and write this out in the most non confusing way possible to try to get some help.

Basically its 4 plants, 3 strains all same symptoms with varying degrees of sickness.

2 waters ago checked runoff on all 4 they were all low pH runoff. Not in a good zone for phosphorous which led me to believe phos. deficiency.

So plant 1 the sickest (purple urkle) I flushed. I got it back to he correct range with the flush at 6.5 pH.

I waited a day before messing with the other 3 to see the reaction of the urkle. It got worse which led me to believe deficiency over lockout.

So then I fed the other 3 plants instead of flushing.

The second healthiest plant (the black 2) got fed a large dose of food. I fed 1700 ppm at 6.3 pH. Runoff pH came out in the correct zone 6.6 and runoff ppm was 1550. This plant seemed to respond well. So I really was thinking deficiency. previous water was water only reason for the higher dose.

The healthiest of the 4 (the black 1) got fed only 650 ppm at 6.3 pH. (previous watering was food reason for lower dose) But whats strange is it had a runoff ppm of over 1500. It came out in the correct pH range at 6.5.

The second sickest plant (grape god) got fed 650 ppm at 6.3 pH. (previous watering was food reason for lower dose) Runoff came out at 6.6 and 1100 ppm.

So whats confusing is these last 2 plants only got fed 650 ppm but had runoffs of 1100 and 1500 ppm. That makes no sense to me if I only put in 650 but get out so much more.

I have not been able to check on my girls yet as lights are still off.

To see how they are doing.

Is there anything I can do to feed the urkle? I am sure it was deficiency and the flush hurt her worse. Now my pot is soaking wet for the next 3 days and she needs to eat.

Is 30 days to late to do a foliar?
 
I don't know what your water-feeding schedule is, but you can go to 2waters in a row, and your ppm is gonna come do some, plus I grow in soil an coco and don't keep up with all that ppm sh-t.
Only time I ever spray anything, it's cause of low humidity, don't know anything about foliar feeding either, never had to do it.
 
I've been doing water, feed, water, feed because of drying time between waters. is like 4 or 5 days.

My next grow none of this will be an issue because im going from 7 to 3 gallon pots. I just want to get this harvest over. I got in way over my head for a first grow. lol.
 
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