Well... basically I start when there around 3 weeks to a month old. Then if I have the time I like to tie for 2 days then untie for 2 days, sometimes only a day. Then return down abit further, usually have to work the branches by hand to get them to go where I want without breaking any. If the veg for 3 months I try to repeat this cycle, if I have the time every couple days that is, the odd time I have to leave them in the hands of someone else for a week so they stay tied or untied whatever till I get back. So I guess with those numbers they get tied down 30 plus times as well as being unties 30 plus times, really comes down to the time you have to put into it. Takes me a couple of hours to tie my 8 plants down and maybe an hour and a half to untie them. So if you look at it I'm putting in like 75 hours with just the LST nevermind watering and trimming, adjusting the lights, cleaning the tent every month. Once they go into flower I don't really tie them down hardcore, just here and there to level the playing field lol. Because I have the time, I put in the time. It's an everyday thing here with the 36 little people I have growing. I started tying them down still in the solo cups. I'll post a pic or 2 down below. Hope this has helped. I know some people don't have the time I do but can fit it in here and there eh. Canada eh ðŸ‘