Thanks allot, I fought myself on whether to get a 4x4 or 2 2x4s because I have such a hard time getting down to their level and I have to pick em up onto a table for training because of it. I think I better go a couple rounds without a net to judge the difficulty of growing in a tent. That's what convinced me to do manifold in the 1st place, once you get em started in the right direction other than some defoliation and support they're good to go. Well I have some babies started for the tent and one stubborn lady still flowering in my closet so I guess all questions will be answered soon enough. Good luck on your adventure, I'm sure ill see you around here, and thanks again for your input