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Light the Grow Gher!

The veg closet has gotten rather crowded, special thanks to JDU sharing some killer clones and a seedling. SoOrbudgal one of these mangoes and some DD seeds are for you!

My first noot feeding was mixed "light", but Holy Grail Kush still getting a little nutrient burn nonetheless. I read she was hungry for heavy feeding, maybe not this early out the gate. THE CLAW DECIDES. So today I dumped out about a quarter of the tote and replaced it with water.

On the other hand, Auto Diesel looks a little yellow-blotchy inspite of enjoying the light nutrient mix that seemed to burn HGK. She is doing well, and just to see if it stepped it up, I added a schnorkel after all.

At 5 days old, I'm still blown away at how tiny the soil cup seedlings of OG Kush are growing very slow, still tiny.

One of these mango clones is going into the flower tent pretty soon, I can feel it!
 

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Looking like my germination area Dingus abit of everything. I have seeds in towels&baggies spread all over living room where woodstove is for heat, especially this a.m. 28 degress clear and frosty outside. Got my 2 sweet tooth auto still not showing through cups been 7days think i'll see what happened to the tails, my guess they got to cold in soil even though they been sitting in a warm room with humidity dome on ?? So I started 2 Durban poison auto and a Berry Ryder auto to go with the GDP auto which is 2wks old holding it's own under the t-5 which is on 24hrs.

Would be a real challenge to get those 2 sweet tooth to join in make it 6 autos. When my lights come on in the 4x4 tent i'll pull out my 3 photos show you what the Black Cherry Punch and Burnt Cookie look like they are in wk. 5 of flower. My plan is to put the 1 black cherry and mokum clones in with the autos. Trying to get a head start with the autos, but yes it's noticeably slower in winter, I believe they feel it? It's in the upper 60's in my up stairs tent area without lights on and the cool temps are seeming to speed up the color changes of the leaves cool soil & roots?
 
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So the (actual) grow gher (flower tent, 2x4) is lit. I need to put the fan in the sprout closet back in to extract some of the hot air that 315CMH is venting into the room. It's staying just under 80F in the tent with 30% humidity. I left the lights on for 24 hours for their first day after transplantation and going under their new light.

They went into a 2x4x5ft tent with a 4 inch inline poked into the vent sock on top, extracting hot air from the top and blowing out through and elbow pointed at the ballast sitting top of the tent, keeping it much cooler than normal.

JDU Mango clones are so big and vigorous, they really are about ready to put into flower. AND I have to get them out before these Holy Grail Kush need the tent, as well as some other clones by then. There's about 22 inches between the light and the top of the plants. The tent is short enough that when my last grow got tall, I took the yoyos off, and hung the angle hangers directly over the top middle tent rail, so it's really as close as it can physically get without damaging the tent.

BigBud is a young seedling, just planted in 3gal of Royal Gold Basement Mix. I might veg her for a while, maybe a single, big.assed.tent.filler. Push the limits of a 2x4.

The one on the left is in happy frog, the other is in Royal Gold Basement Mix, which is what they had at the little grow shop off I-5 in South Eugene. It's a coco based, soiless, compost mix something something... It's supposed to drain nicely like coco, won't need fed for a couple months, then MegaCrop
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The DWC sisters are doing unevenly. Holy Grail Kush has taken off and has lots of roots. Auto Diesel has stalled, gotten blotchy, suddenly looks nutrient burned AND deficient, I'm going to replace her noots tonight, with no more schnorkel. HGK has done so well without one, I am beginning to doubt the value of top feed.

Thanks again for all who've been stopping by.
 

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Lookin good!! They should explode in those big pots They could grow awhile if you have the room, I took them on 10/17 & they had a good 3wk setback. Well I hope they make you as happy as they did me while growing them & as stoned as their momma just got me!!!
 
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Dingus I will help ease the space issue. I'm trying to find time to get away as I've got company coming today Friday, so that's and overnighter. Saturday afternoon may be the plan. I will pm you. My last seed popped for my autos up next in the flower tent. 2 Durban poison, 1 berry ryder, 1 granddaddy purp. May pop more auto seeds if durbans turn out male.
 
Don't forget your 5 Dutch Dope regular seeds from JDU! That really sounds like a fun grow. I'm planning on dropping the Durban Poison Auto that you shared with me for the solo grow. I love having local grow buddies!
 
Heckya, man! I'm so giddy, they're definitely big enough to flip. I think I will give them a few days to get settled first. I'm starting to worry that HGK will get honking big in veg before Mangos are ready to chop. And I really want to put the Auto Diesel under the CMH, I've not done an auto under the big light yet.
 
Regarding defoliating, training, and clone selection.

Those have read "Ghengis Khan and the Making of the Modern World" by Jack Weatherford may know Ghengis was far more than a barbarian. In conquering and ruling an empire that stretched from China to Ukraine, he linked them with the world's first "pony express". Scholars, artists and merchants were transferred from one end to the other in both directions, combining Chinese chemistry with Arabic architecture. Korean paper made literature cheaply portable which helped lead to universally literacy. He embraced and imposed religious tolerance, gender equality (not perfect, or even good by modern standards, but far better than the status quo) , or the idea that being "royal" vs. "common" was not defined by blood. We can thank him for both spaghetti and the black plague.

Here is a more amusing Youtube rendition of Mongol history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqcVro-3f4I

So here is my approach to early veg "defoliating" and pruning. It does not mean barbaric hacking and pruning and stripping. It is meant to seek balance in maximizing the growth of buds, not just big leafy plants. This is the time to train the plant's branches and their suckers into the canopy from which an open arrangement of colas can emerge to fill the space under the grow light with fat, sticky buds that have room to breathe. I also selective cut away tiny branchlings that I don't want, and let the plant focus her energy on growing nodes and leaves where I do want them to capture abundant light to power for growth.

Some suckers that would otherwise be pruned might make good clones, they will be left to grow out until immediately before before flowering. I plan on cutting some clones for the upcoming Clone Along, and if any of those make it, will go in solo cups for the upcoming Duel.

I start by taking off bigger fan leaves that are at the base of suckers IF that sucker has mature, fully open, happy leaves. I especially take older leaves that have had evidence of growth problems, like Calcium deficiency blotches once I'm on track of fixing the problem, and newer growth leavesare not still showing the same problem. This particular young plant didn't have any big old leaves, it's still a fairly new clone from JDU . Hey brother, how along ago did you cut these clones? We're meeting SoOrbudgal here in a little bit to deliver her clone and seeds, and hopefully one of my seedlings, if she believes she can help. But there weren't many big leaves to start with.

I also cut off some of the little branches if they are growing out in a direction that will not be conducive to making a fat bud, or will crowd out the colas that will grow fat, especially tiny suckers low down near the stem that will only grow out a little popcorn bud.

Topping and manifolding or quadlining are versions of this. I like to clone the top of the seedling when I do cut it off. These clones are already big and vigourous because they were quite generously cut. The left one is the end of a nice branch with 2 nice branches already growing from it. The one on the left is a topped branch with 6 smaller branches coming from it. They were probably close to 10 inches long when cut with 3 or 4 planted into the yogurt cup of soil. The bigger one was just becoming root bound when I transplanted it. The smaller one was in a 4 inch cup probably 8 inches with 2 inches in the cup, not quite as heavily rooted, I assume she was started a few weeks behind.

Here is the branch end, cleaned up a little bit and trained to spread the branches out. I will let her grow out a bit more before flipping.

Thanks again for the wisdom and the genetics I've received and have the opportunity to share with all you master growers.
 

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One of my all time favorite movies is, Mongol the rise of Genghis Khan. In Mongolian with English subtitles.
I took them on 10-7 They were about 3in tall. I had them together in a 3.5in pot while they made their comeback but I separated them when they started growinh & touching leaves. Maybe 6in tall. I had just trimmed them for the 1st time & cut one down to be my mother & put em in the cottage cheese on 12-9. Then when you said you needed all 3 I topped one for one for me to keep lol.
 
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Imo have to check that out.

And thanks for the update on when these girls got started. But that's interesting how much difference in root development in the black 4inch square nursery cup from the one of them and n the cottage cheese cups. The branch end clone was a little root bound in the cottage cheese cup while the little nursery cup was just filling up and working down the sides.
 
Yeah Id've thought the one still in the square would be the one rootbound. They were all in those until the 9th & only she didnt get transplanted.
 
Well fellas i'm pretty happy with the clone she's being repotted today into her big home 3gal. only do to space with the bloom tent. OGkush baby(im giving her? some extra love today) Dingus i'm wondering is that soil hot for seedling? I'm thinking about repotting? My now 4 auto sprouts will be next up after photos finish 3wks or less. This is really going to challenge me and i'm all in for it. 4 autos in 3gal. cont. , 3 photos in 3 gal. pots.

I have that spare 3x3 tent I've set it up for veg only so that's where there going to hang out till my 12/12 gals are nearly done. Here's the kicker...i'm going to switch light time back to 18/6 in 2wks. I do not think this will affect the bud/plant quality at all....please feel free with opinions-thoughts? Autos will be 2wks from sprout move them into 4x4 around edges of tent, then put them old clones in there after I've harvested the photos. One photo leaves another is placed in it's space. And see if I can pull this off. Happy restful weekend to all DingusKhan Thank you for the defoil tutorial of yours. I go clone crazy at times, i'll be going there again in a few months. Will be more than happy to share with you and JDU again or those others that live in Oregon.
 
How did were the roots on the Mango?

Regarding the OGKush seedling-it is in Happy Frog with about 15% each of additional coco and perlite. I rinsed the coco, but didn't flush with Calcium since I was mixing it soil

I was thinking that too, so I flushed it yesterday morning (sorry I forgot to mention) with about a half gallon of pH water, oxygenated with some CalMag 5ml/gal and Great White. She had been under a T5 as well as an LED flood light.

Now that I think about it, I may have been blasting them with too much light, in addition to nutrient burn and Calcium deficiency. Other than the flush yesterday, I've hardly been watering her at all. But it may have been too much since I'm really a hydro guy.
 
DingusKhan the roots were tightly wrapped around the container but I watered it first then transferred it to it's new home in a 3gal. pot. She needed it bad LOL. No worries about OG and that one needs to be sexed so i'm stick her into a 1gal. today she's going out to the porch tent with Mango. All is good. I will send some pics via my phone message thingy as I want to show you the buds on the 3 flowering in the tent.
 
Well that's weird. They were put in the 3inch at the same time & the 2 weren't rootbound when I put them in the cottage cheese containers. Why would they grow so much while the other didn't?

But I'm glad you like them. I can't wait to see some of this strain grown correctly!! Pics please 👍
 
Maybe they'll get together again someday. All grown up, dried n cured when we all meet & share again lol.
 
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