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Grow Journal - First Grow. part way through

Thanks. If they are doubling, I have major messed up. If I count the manifold, they are now 16 inches long now - Oops.
I have no choice regarding the space and i don't expect much more tying back can happen. I guess I might as well start thinking about what to do for that eventuality. I see where some folks say you can go as close as 12 inches from the lights - what do ya think about that? I started the grow thinking i would use it as a learning exercise for next time, but now I feel very invested and don't want to give up on any of them.
 
Don't give up

How to Prepare for the Flowering Stretch

by Sirius Fourside

Right around the time when kids start hitting middle schools, short awkward teenagers go through puberty and turn into taller awkward teenagers...or was that just me? I’m sure you knew of at least one kid who grew so much, they looked almost as if someone grabbed them by their head and feet and just stretched them out.

When cannabis plants start to mature, they also go through a brief transitional period; a sort of cannabis-puberty if you will. And just as humans undergo a burst of rapid growth, cannabis plants will also create a large portion of their final height in a very short period of time. This explosion of vertical grow this commonly called the cannabis ‘Flowering Stretch’.
What is the Flowering Stretch?

The best way to give you an idea is with pictures. http://www.growweedeasy.com/flowering-stretch Here’s a cool animated .gif Nebula made showing the flowering stretch in action.

Watch as one strain out-races the other!

This makes for a great example of how small or large a stretch can be. Notice that the plant on the left (818 Headband) gains only a few inches while the plant on the right almost doubles in size! And even this picture is misleading once you realize that by the end of the .gif, the plant on the left is actually raised an extra foot higher off the ground! Note: This was done to keep the plants somewhat equidistant from the lights.

In short, the flowering stretch is potential burst of rapid growth that happens shortly after switching to the flowering phase. It can be massive, or it can be next to nothing. The important thing is to expect that it might happen and have a plan ready in case it does. Luckily, most strains you buy from a seedbank are stabilized, so it’s known if the plant will stretch a lot or a little. This allows us to not only plan for a stretch, but take advantage of it when it happens!
What to Expect

A seedling stretching its heart out!Depending on the strain you’re growing, you can expect a pretty wide range of stretching. Some strains can double their height or more, while some do almost nothing. However, if you know the name of the strain you’re growing, you can look up the breeder recommendations to get a good idea of what might happen. Additionally, there are other factors that can give you insight:

Sativas - Sativas tend to grow taller, lanky stems even when trained; inch-for-inch they tend to stretch much more than indicas.
Strain height - Many breeders and seedbanks have the average height of their strains listed. Sometimes it’s as vague as “short - medium - tall”, but even that is enough to give you an idea of its growth characteristics. Expect "tall" strains to stretch!
Light type - Certain light types are more conducive to stretching than others. You can use the right light color spectrum to help control growth characteristics. More on that later...
Light distance - Plants also stretch when they're trying to get more light (like this plant to the right). As a result of this type of stretching, plants grow taller, but with fewer bud sites. Note that this is not the same thing as the flowering stretch, rather it's a symptom of too-little light. Most growers want to avoid stretching caused by not enough light as fewer bud sites means less bud.

One of the main reasons it’s so important to know about stretching is that it can rapidly reduce the amount of space you have in your grow tent/area. If you’re growing in a space with limited height, a good stretch can make it so you no longer have room to raise your lights. This leads to light/heat stress and lost buds.

I personally had a stretch where there was no longer any room to raise the lights. I used a CFL/LED combination at the time, and the LEDs absolutely cooked the buds underneath it until I got desperate and cut the stuff that was too close. I would handle that situation differently now, but it shows that no one is immune if they’re unaware.
Planning For the Stretch

Planning for a stretch is easy to do when you know it’s a possibility. There are two things growers can do that will give a lot of control over planning for a potential stretching situation:

Research your strain
If you know what strain you’re going to grow, you can usually find its growth characteristics online. Seedfinder.eu is a pretty good resource for reviews on strains submitted by other growers. While it isn’t necessarily 100% accurate (what is?), it should give you a good range of what to expect. Knowing the strain you’re growing gives you the power to decide how much stretch you’ll deal with. Since stretching is often accompanied by a ‘tall’ final height, you can reduce stretch by getting plants that are characterized as being ‘medium’ or ‘short’.

Plan for a tall plant
In my opinion, the best way to be prepared for any stretch is to simply plan out the space as if you know that your plant will double in height by the end of flowering. Don't worry, it's much easier than it sounds! Here's how you do it:

Take the total amount of vertical (height) growing space you have in inches/cm.
Take the total from #1, and subtract the height of your lights when it's at its highest point.
Next, subtract the height of the pot/container your plant will be in.
Finally, subtract the amount of space you'll need between your light and your plants.
This varies depending on the lights; CFLs only need about 4", HIDs need 12+".
When your plants height reaches half of the number you're left with, initiate flowering!

Not too bad right? It'll seem even easier with an example! Here's how it would work for my tent (math is below the picture):

This is a visual example of how space gets split up in my tent!

I have a 7 foot tall tent which comes out to 84 inches. Total: 84 inches
My lights and the stuff to hold them take up 21 inches. Total: 63 inches
My container is 13 inches tall. Total: 50 inches
I'm planning to keep 16 inches between my plants and the light. Total: 34 inches
I flower my plants when they are about 17 inches tall.

You don't always need the space when you plan like this, but it allows you to easily deal with the times when your sweet little babies turn into monsters like this:



Pre-Stretch

Plants before a stretch...

Post-Stretch

The same plants after stretching...
Reducing the Stretch

Since we know the factors that can lead to more stretching, reducing how much a plant stretches is just a matter of acting on those factors.

Genes - Indica plants tend to be shorter, so if you prefer Indicas and would like a short plant, you’re in luck. If you like Sativas and have limited height, there are many strains available that have a shorter finishing height. Again, you can usually find the heights of strains at the websites of breeders and seedbanks.

Light type - Did you know that HPS (High Pressure Sodium) lights encourage stretching? If you use HID lighting, you can combat this extra stretching by leaving your MH (Metal Halide) bulb in for the first 2-3 weeks of flowering before switching to a HPS bulb.

This also goes for CFL growers who are utilizing vegetative (6500K) and flowering (2700K) colored bulbs. You can leave the vegetative (6500K) colored bulbs in for the first 2-3 weeks of flowering before switching to your flowering bulbs.

This kitty knows what I'm talking about!Light Distance - Keeping your lights the right distance away will ensure that your plants don’t have to stretch to get more light. Use the ‘hand test’ to make sure your lights are as close as they can be without harming your cannabis.

Hand test: Place one of your hands right over your plant with your palms facing downward. If the heat from your CFL or HPS lights is uncomfortably hot or painful to your hand, move the lights away an inch and try again. This test does NOT work for LED lights.

Some General Rules About Light Distance:

CFL and fluorescent grow lights should be kept a few inches from your plants.
For MH/HPS lights it depends on the size of your light.
For LEDs it's different for each model so you should always check with the manufacturer, but it's generally recommended to keep most LEDs 12-18" away, though some of the most powerful LED grow lights need to be kept even further away.

Plant Training - Although training itself does nothing to slow down stretching, it does give growers a good way to manage it. For example, if branches are set to grow vertically by low-stress training, a stretch can actually be beneficial since so much of the plant will be receiving light. Plant training can come in the forms of low-stress training, manifolding, topping, fimming, and more. These techniques are used in the vegetative stage to get your plant to grow the way you want in the flowering stage.
http://www.growweedeasy.com/flowering-stretch
 
Thanks for the info and advice. And with some white rhino inspiration, I won't give up. So, it happens that I could have lucked out, and the height calculation matches perfectly, so for any less that doubling the size, and they should be okay. If they more than double, I guess I will find out how close to the light is too close. I will keep the fight:silly: up, keeping the night temperatures up and day down for a tiny differential there. I will also leave the MH light in for another week and get my wife to change it to the HPS at that time. I was going to add some molasses this watering, but will wait now till flowering is really in gear. At that time, I was thinking of blackstrap molasses and liquid seaweed applied with water, and top dress with some fossilized bat guano. Any comments on these plans is appreciated, but any suggestions will have to be easy to do. I have contracted out the final stages of the grow, and at the salary I am paying, cannot expect too much dedication. Two of the plants have flowers starting on top, and the smell in the tent is fragrant. Photos tomorrow - I forgot tonight until the lights went out. Really like the Sohum living soil - nothing but water so far, and the ladies seem to be great. with some extra energy I am ending up with an organic grow, which i really didn't think of till recently. I used the living soil out of laziness, and the cost is worth it for me. Cheers folks
 
so - temperature went up to 26 through part of the day yesterday, but i turned the exhaust fan up a little and brought it back to 24.5 yesterday. Oops. gotta get the heater timers re-set. when i went down this morning the temp was 29, since the ventilation pre-heater and the one inside the tent didn't turn off enough before the light came on. it is going down quickly. i didn't realize how much the temperature changes in my basement, as right now it is comfortable and last week i needed a fleece. outdoors we have gone from -20 to +10 in a couple of days. Been that kinda year everywhere in NA, I guess. A question I think i know the answer to - at nighttime, can I just put my exhaust fan on humidity control, since there's no heat source? My thought is that it must be quite odorous when they are flowering so I need the air filter going. attached are a bunch of photos. I am sorry if it is too many, but when I am looking at others, I often am hoping for different perspectives for comparison. the team photo has front left White Rhino, front right Critical Widow, back right Cinderella 99 and back left Blueberry. the individual shots are in the same order. Whie Rhino - wonder if she is stunted by something I did, or a runt. Either way, she looks very tropical and robust on her own. Almost a bonsai version. Till next time.
 

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Oh yeah! Thanks for the pointer from Paracelsus regarding an easy way to stop my circ fan falling on the plants. the tent is so tight to the frame that it pushed the clamps off, first time with almost catastrophic results. I did tape them for awhile in the interim, but I finally got around to hanging a piece of plywood with foil cover from the wall frame with ratchet cords. The fan attaches to the wood, allowing easy adjustment. An unexpected benefit is that it helps keep the tent wall from caving in with the exhaust pressure (suction). gets me almost a couple of inches overall for both sides, and with 4 plants I must be very precise soon to have them fit and still have room around each (hopefully) cola.
 
Thanks for the cudos, really happy it did the trick. One of the things I've learned is the plants like stability with out wild swings day to night in temp, pH and Humidity. A tight precise range is better, a range is ok but within defined tolerances for your strain, phenotype, medium and space.
 
my basement goes to around 18 to 20 in general at night. is this too cool? i was reading that cooler temperatures, especially at night, increase trichrome production.
 
I am a farenheit guy as long as it doesnt drop swing back and forth 10 degrees or more, but yes they say cooler temps for some strains promote tric's
 
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Cool. I should be around 8 F difference, and will try taking the heaters off line tomorrow. i feel safer as she wouldnt be checking. Otherwise I am depending on $5 tech to protect and direct a large time investment. too exciting - and i think my wife is now feeling good. i told her where we want to be (adjusting as I learn) and we are hitting it. I actually would like the humidity higher, but am taking the chance that 30 to 33% will be okay. it goes a little higher at night. with the ventilation going through, it would take quite a bit to get i tup, and flowering is supposed to be safer at lower temperature. By the way - if I say anything considered wrong or stupid, just tell me. this really is all new to me. I have read so much that I cant remember where i did, but most things and people are pretty close to consistant. I lucked out on the early part of my grow before i got in touch here. those first days at 65 to 70 F. strong plants. I gotta chane the units on the Controller to Fahrenheit !
 
Question? Now I wonder again about combining lighting. i have the 600 W MH working at 75% and will replace with what says it is an enhanced spectrum HPS. I have 4 of 45 w grow lights, 2 panels and two sockets. my friend who gave them to me says both are fairly good for blooming. Would side lighting with these be of any use? He only did little tiny grows, and says mine isw already way beyond anything he got - thank you folks! What about adding the 300W LED since it's kinda a different light and doesnt give off much heat?? I bet I could control the daytine temp with it on, and could aim it from slightly to the side. Maybe even put it on timer with shorter cycle than the main HID.
 
So, here we go. I am away till next weekend , then for a month. Gonna miss a lot of the cool stuff. I happened to misjudge, and the team went into dehydration, looking pretty wilted. An amazing recovery, and I think they liked the little dose of black-strap molasses. I didn't get a big trimming done, but will next weekend, which will be almost 4 weeks after switch to 12 12. just didn't get time before lights out. Darn work ! Anyway, photos are from tonight. team shot, then individual shots from each with White Rhino first at front left, then critical widow at front right, followed by blueberry , then Cinderella 99. I think they are looking quite nice, but they don't seem to be having the stretch. they are still growing each day, but - I guess i am just getting impatient now. maybe I need more? I think maybe at least I will get the HPS bulb put in by my wife tomorrow night. almost 3 weeks from switch-over, and still have a foot of room to grow. Thanks for looking. If the girls have trouble while I'm away, I have no doubt there is help readily available here.
 

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May I suggest you put in the bulb now and adjust the clearance from the canopy before you go, that is a lot of responsibility on the first day you are away, 24 hours won't make a huge difference
 
I will be so glad to experience this the first time. I thought it was basically the first three weeks of stretch. Oh well - it so far has worked out, and blind luck follows me around most of the time. thanks guys. Wifey will be watching closely and open to suggestions
 
Morning Bootsy, yes indeed, they are not thru growing up by any means. Nice plants, good luck with them Bootsy an Wife.
 
I am finally home for the weekend. got down to see the girls, and there is some fairly extreme yellowing happening on two, and a little on one. lower leaves, so from what i have read, that should be Nitrogen deficiency? I would love suggestions as to my way ahead. We picked up the stuff in the photo on the way home from airport (recommended as they use it by three guys at the hydro store), but that was before seeing the leaves. Think I should use this stuff? I will be out of town for the next month, so anything has to take limited expertise or it would lead to wifely rebellion, and she's been a trooper. sorry about the quality of the photos, i messed up using the flash. I also have some Neptune seaweed stuff being dropped off tomorrow, and black strap molasses. I'm trying to stay relatively organic (sales guys said this stuff was. Help? Is this bad? 24 days of 12:12 lighting. will they still grow? hope so. They have only had two waterings with molasses total ,other than that, just water for the living soil. Also, apparently they got pretty dry today, and got watered, but not a lot. So - some positive comments. they look great to me, but i have never seen flowers in person. quite a size difference, for the White Rhino, since that pot is raised least 7 inches . The individual photos are, in order Cinderella 99, Blueberry, Critical Widow and White Rhino. I intend to give them a real trimming this weekend, and those yellow ones will be gone. Cheers!!
 

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Hey Bootsy, very nice job going on. Some leaf yellowing is normal at this point. She's redistributing their nutrients to parts that are still growing. They wilt and die, I just clip them off when they get krinkly. It looks like you've been defoliating gently, so she shouldn't run out before she finishes ripening.
 
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