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9fingerleafs
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just wanna add, ive had hollow stemmed plants and very hard and sturdy stemmed from the same strain and i couldnt really find that co-relation. coud be the specific strain but i saw the same thing growing mexican wild weed, some had hollow stem but they all had very poor efect haha
Mr.furley
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I would have to say that for the most part the plant by nature would be perpared for my cutting, it would've over a longer period of time had damage from animals and nature done to it then the short amount of time they have been gentle handled with care in a grow room.
I would look at it mostly like this, some of the plants I cut back do a good job of bouncing back without problems this is due to good genetic (genotype), or a resilient plant and something to be kept. A long recovering plant that is sickly and harder to maintain is of poor genetic and is not that desirable, There is to much involved to baby sit sad plants and I think that cutting(and other things) the plant over and over in your environment show you the desirable and undesirable traits the plant has to offer up, pheno expression. Make sense?
9fingerleafs
Wasn't to sure on the legitimacy of the clam with the other things I like about that plant, I figured what the hay and kept it. We're your hollow stem plant Males? Did you use them for breeding?
I would have to say that for the most part the plant by nature would be perpared for my cutting, it would've over a longer period of time had damage from animals and nature done to it then the short amount of time they have been gentle handled with care in a grow room.
I would look at it mostly like this, some of the plants I cut back do a good job of bouncing back without problems this is due to good genetic (genotype), or a resilient plant and something to be kept. A long recovering plant that is sickly and harder to maintain is of poor genetic and is not that desirable, There is to much involved to baby sit sad plants and I think that cutting(and other things) the plant over and over in your environment show you the desirable and undesirable traits the plant has to offer up, pheno expression. Make sense?
9fingerleafs
Wasn't to sure on the legitimacy of the clam with the other things I like about that plant, I figured what the hay and kept it. We're your hollow stem plant Males? Did you use them for breeding?
9fingerleafs
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ohh i see what you mean now, no, they where female and i just grew the pot and smoke it
billyboy
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Bumping out of an anxious desire to continue the conversation. 
(Thank you Mr Furley!)
So in reading the thread here is what I am gathering:
- You can have a "father" plant. You can keep him around and clone him and not ever 'flower' him. And if you do flower him you can re-vegg the stump. Right? I suppose the first one you would have had to flower to find the desired traits and then you would keep a clone the as "new father", or is the "father" the re-vegged stump of the first male? And you just use the cloned-fathers for fresh sperm, *ahem*, pollen. Right?
So let's say what I gathered is all true. And let's say I have a mother plant with desirable characteristics. If I breed the father and the mother and get a desirable F1, can I just keep breeding the Mother and the father and produce that same desirable F1? Presumably I'd clone the mother and clone the father whenever I wanted/needed seeds, and all those seeds would be the ones I'd grow out.
In other words if I don't really make a true strain, can I just keep making a reliable F1?
(Thank you Mr Furley!)So in reading the thread here is what I am gathering:
- You can have a "father" plant. You can keep him around and clone him and not ever 'flower' him. And if you do flower him you can re-vegg the stump. Right? I suppose the first one you would have had to flower to find the desired traits and then you would keep a clone the as "new father", or is the "father" the re-vegged stump of the first male? And you just use the cloned-fathers for fresh sperm, *ahem*, pollen. Right?
So let's say what I gathered is all true. And let's say I have a mother plant with desirable characteristics. If I breed the father and the mother and get a desirable F1, can I just keep breeding the Mother and the father and produce that same desirable F1? Presumably I'd clone the mother and clone the father whenever I wanted/needed seeds, and all those seeds would be the ones I'd grow out.
In other words if I don't really make a true strain, can I just keep making a reliable F1?
Yes a male can be cloned and kept as a father plant.
Reveging can be tricky, and does not always work, I just lost 6 plants trying to reveg,,, I worked them to hard, think 50% amber. I learned and will correct my mistake, mothers being created!
Ok the offspring of plant x and plant y lets call z, z would have varying traits. 25% would be 75/25, 50% would be 50/50, and 25% would be 25/75. From here select what to keep as a mother/father or do further breeding with.
Reveging can be tricky, and does not always work, I just lost 6 plants trying to reveg,,, I worked them to hard, think 50% amber. I learned and will correct my mistake, mothers being created!
Ok the offspring of plant x and plant y lets call z, z would have varying traits. 25% would be 75/25, 50% would be 50/50, and 25% would be 25/75. From here select what to keep as a mother/father or do further breeding with.
Eliot Pryor
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Grew a Berry Bomb by Bomb Seeds. I remember thinking it was the Bomb when smoking it. I know I grew it because its in my notes but it was a long time ago. Seem to remember they offered several kinds of Bomb derivatives. Makes sense now.
JDU
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Wait. That ain't right.
Ok genetically they will be 50/50.
With each set of genes that determine a particular trait- tall/short, fast/slow grower, heavy/light feeder, disease resistant/not.... etc & etc... there is a dominant & a recessive gene.
So if the genes you match up are both dom all the offspring will be dom. A dom & a recessive - 25% of the offspring will have the dom 25 will be recessive. Half of them will show as dom & be recessive gene carriers which means it can crop back up whenever it is bred to an individual that also carries that gene. 2 recess will be recessive.
Ok genetically they will be 50/50.
With each set of genes that determine a particular trait- tall/short, fast/slow grower, heavy/light feeder, disease resistant/not.... etc & etc... there is a dominant & a recessive gene.
So if the genes you match up are both dom all the offspring will be dom. A dom & a recessive - 25% of the offspring will have the dom 25 will be recessive. Half of them will show as dom & be recessive gene carriers which means it can crop back up whenever it is bred to an individual that also carries that gene. 2 recess will be recessive.
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billyboy
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This is from NebulaHaze : Advanced Techniques
Heterosis can sometimes be used to increase yields, uniformity, and vigor of the plants. When this happens, the result is known as “hybrid vigor.†Offspring from the same parents with hybrid vigor tend to grow the same as each other; plus they can grow faster, be stronger, and/or produce bigger yields than either of their parents.
This effect will only happen for the first generation (“F1â€) cross between the two inbred plants. If you breed F1 crosses together, they will no longer experience hybrid vigor. It only happens with the first cross between two heavily inbred plants.
Sometimes an F1 cross between two unrelated inbred plants can produce undesirable or surprising results, but growers are often rewarded with better vigor and uniformity from F1 crosses.
You can use hybrid vigor to your advantage once you’ve identified a great F1 cross. If two parent plants create an awesome F1 cross, some growers will keep the “mother†and “father†plant so they can use them repeatedly to breed and make more seeds of the same F1 cross. This ensures that all the offspring get to benefit from hybrid vigor, plus they’ll all grow the same as each other. Some “strains†are actually a specific F1 cross between two parents that produces a desirable result every time.
So I am just trying to think through how to get "hybrid vigor" and"keep the “mother†and “father†plant so they can use them repeatedly to breed and make more seeds of the same F1 cross". Feels there is so much inbreeding at the seed banks and seed distributors that it would be fun to try and hit a great F1.
Heterosis can sometimes be used to increase yields, uniformity, and vigor of the plants. When this happens, the result is known as “hybrid vigor.†Offspring from the same parents with hybrid vigor tend to grow the same as each other; plus they can grow faster, be stronger, and/or produce bigger yields than either of their parents.
This effect will only happen for the first generation (“F1â€) cross between the two inbred plants. If you breed F1 crosses together, they will no longer experience hybrid vigor. It only happens with the first cross between two heavily inbred plants.
Sometimes an F1 cross between two unrelated inbred plants can produce undesirable or surprising results, but growers are often rewarded with better vigor and uniformity from F1 crosses.
You can use hybrid vigor to your advantage once you’ve identified a great F1 cross. If two parent plants create an awesome F1 cross, some growers will keep the “mother†and “father†plant so they can use them repeatedly to breed and make more seeds of the same F1 cross. This ensures that all the offspring get to benefit from hybrid vigor, plus they’ll all grow the same as each other. Some “strains†are actually a specific F1 cross between two parents that produces a desirable result every time.
So I am just trying to think through how to get "hybrid vigor" and"keep the “mother†and “father†plant so they can use them repeatedly to breed and make more seeds of the same F1 cross". Feels there is so much inbreeding at the seed banks and seed distributors that it would be fun to try and hit a great F1.
9fingerleafs
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yeah basically with f1 the apple doesnt fall far from the tree, even with different phenos they thend to be not very different from each other, with f2 some of the genes that passed thru with the first generation are now in both parents so even recessive genes get to manifest.
oversimplifying as an example, imagine you have a very purple plant and one with a very strong high. when you cross them the first generation tends to be very strong in vigor and growth due to the broader gene-pool but overall all kinda purple and kinda strong. but if you were to chose from those f1s two that seem both the most purple in the bunch and cross those you can get a plant more purple than the original parent. if you also chose the two strongest f1s and cross those you can end up with an f2 even stronger than the original parent. you keep selecting from both inbred lines until you have very stable traits and then you cross those two lineages again to regain vigor and homogenize the final generation you can call your strain. you keep those fwhatevers you crossed last to keep making that strain, thats what good breeders do and thats the seeds you buy from a good seed bank/breeder
oversimplifying as an example, imagine you have a very purple plant and one with a very strong high. when you cross them the first generation tends to be very strong in vigor and growth due to the broader gene-pool but overall all kinda purple and kinda strong. but if you were to chose from those f1s two that seem both the most purple in the bunch and cross those you can get a plant more purple than the original parent. if you also chose the two strongest f1s and cross those you can end up with an f2 even stronger than the original parent. you keep selecting from both inbred lines until you have very stable traits and then you cross those two lineages again to regain vigor and homogenize the final generation you can call your strain. you keep those fwhatevers you crossed last to keep making that strain, thats what good breeders do and thats the seeds you buy from a good seed bank/breeder