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First grow Special kush #1 / white widow grow journal

DANGERDAN Campesino

The proof is in the pudding. No small scale experiment nor personal opinion can change the fact that when marijuana is commercially cultivated the farmers with millions of dollars on the line will choose the most effective and proven method. I’m not in the slightest telling anyone clones are the best way to go EVERY TIME. Seeds have their place and the genetic work being done on them is leaps and bounds ahead of 10 years ago. You’re right that the advantage gap is being closed. But when I get talking money, I talk proven, scientific, hard number, language. Clones provide a better business model for a commercial farmer to start from.

In relation to labor, I still say go with a nursery that does all the “babying” for you and get closer to the money side. FLOWER:)

But in conjunction with what you said Camp, if the nursery provided propagated seeds just entering full veg, with the same level of genetic testing and quality control as they can achieve through clones, I would hands down buy the taprooted plants. And in turn STILL be saving the time and infrastructure required for propagation!)
 
Thats the thing Obi, there is very little evidence other than subjective opinions. Theres no solidified data to point one or the other. So i must go by my experience and understanding of plant science and also popular belief of large scale horticulture. I have seen a few side by sides of clones and seeds. They swing either way depending on the grower, because they cannot be cultivated the same, they have their own unique requirements.

As always happy to be convinced, but i need more DATA!
 
Obi-Wan said:
DANGERDAN your assumption that clones propegate faster is based on nothing but congecture and grower myth, I would have expected that you of all people would demand physical evidence to support your conclusion. Commercial use of clones comes down to nothing more than cost. The expectation that a clone will perform as it’s mother is a thin argument as well, it assumes that the grower can maintain a mother plant in good health for the duration of the cutting period each and every time. Genetic drift can occur when the mother plant is not 100%. Maintaining a mother plant that can in fact pass on 100% of her genetic traits is a vastly under appreciated skill in the growing community, and not one that should be taken for granted. A commercial grower that runs clones over seed does so at the risk of being penny wise and pound foolish.
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No commercial grower would ever trust questionable clones, nor have the “lack of experience” to grow them properly. Seedlings are just as fragile IMO. If all commercial growers using clones were all “penny wise and pound foolish” their would be someone “smart enough” (in your opinion) to grow from seed and blow them all out of the water... I don’t see your proof?

Danger seems to be the only other businessman on the forums...
 
Haha, as you might well know. I dont publicly post any of my stuff. I used to have a journal here on my greenhouse grows, but i had them taken down. But theres a problem to me growing the clones. I dont do them. I have done them but i will always use seeds for outdoors and indoors too. With the exception that i get my clones from a friend usually. When i did do clones, they were bigger than my seedlings at the same stage of growth. But my friend does it way better than me and i cared not try best him.

Soon though as i run out of seeds, i intend to do clones for everything.
 
Tomorrow is the plan have to build my scrog first tho . So maybe in a few days . We will see . I have a lot going on this week with the holiday and family and other things . But very very soon .

Thank you for you appreciation
 
IslandColas DANGERDAN Campesino Obi-Wan

Woah how did I miss this? Great stuff fellas: intelligent debate instead of frivolous arguments. It's been a pleasure to read all of your thoughts. All I have to offer is a growers anecdotal experience. I grow plants from seed and from clone, and I can tell you that seedlings grow more robust by up to 50%more. But I can also tell you that no seeds are the same, so growing clones provides the benefit of "the same product, exactly" if I have a field of clones, everything is IDENTICAL. Growing seeds is a crap shoot, even from respected breeders. As far as quality and yield, that's just grower talent.
This Pre98 Bubba Kush that I started with and still have is a decade into cloning. Same with my Trainwreck.

Seeds are not as self sustaining as clones. Clones you can totally maintain a perpetual grow easily. Growing from seed every plant limits you to either purchasing, or "making" your own, which is more difficult than cloning.

Those are my only thoughts about why I choose and prefer cloning to maintain my barn. It's more about finding killer strains and preserving them, with limited resources available, so cloning works just fine for this grower.

Cheers all, Growers Love
 
Security and personal reasons. I do not get a kick out of posting my grows. I find more interest elsewhere. Im also too busy. :)
 
Its why i stick around, theres no way you could have these discussions in other forums without it turning into world war %#%@"#"

I love a logical discussion.
 
I'll take a tag on that too Campesino I've been finding this conversation very intriguing. You all have educated answers and personal opinions, that I admire. 😃
 
Ok so I changed the water on all the girls . Ph and ppm all the same nothing have changed . Put them under a scrog at about 20 inches or so off the floor. This is only temporary because I am pretty sure I’m moveong sk1.1 to a 20 gallon res this week and putting her in her own scrog and then under an 1150watt hps to bloom . The other 20 will stay under this scrog and veg for now under these new 1200watt leds 😜😁. Tell me what y’all think . I’ll have to make some updates to my grow specs listed but I think these will really get things popping .
 

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The scrog is only temp . It will get redone so I can remove the lid with it and change the water . I’m doing the one scrog for the one big plant . It just to get them started and fill in some more .
 
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