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Emergency help please. Leafs turning a color I cant find on the charts.

If I gave my plants the manufacturers recommended dosage they wouldn't get past week 2 of their development. Half recommended at that stage is about right and later around ¾ is about right but it does vary of course. The manufacturer I am currently using has been manufacturing nutes specific to cannabis for well over 20 years and given the huge and varied lighting used to grow so are the recommendations, huge and varied.
 
Yep. Huge and varied. But there are baselines. Without experience, a baseline is a good place to start. Easy place to start, if you will.
I'm going to play the water quality card. Your cannabis specific nutes will not work the same with my water. Huge and varied. There's another generalization.
 
I don't use manufacturer recommendations. I measure my solutions for PPM. Makes feeding my girls more consistent.
 
Do not move and displace words. That false proposition is yours not companies. No company has said 'more nutrients, more growth' as far as i know. Luxury range doesn't kill plant. Generally In the luxury range of nutrient feeding plant grows the same as sufficient range but with high nutrient waste. More uptake doesn't always mean more yield. Toxicities come from excessive uptake
because plants uptake as much as they can. In the nutrient-yield graph, luxury range is a LONG horizontal line. You know what all these mean? You can artistically use double, triple and even more than sufficient amount without gaining more yield.
 
You are wrong, ZiroOne. I have told no one what to do. I have not moved or displaced words.
My initial comment that got you so worked up was, "I do not understand why people use less than recommended nutes unless they are showing toxicity." There is no false proposition in that. That is a statement. I further went on to describe my own experience. Still, no false proposition. Not even a personal recommendation.
I further went on to say recommendations are a baseline based on research. There is no false proposition in that, either. That is a fact.
You are a conspiracy theorist who thinks companies are out to get you. Go put on your aluminum hat. You'll feel better.
 
Conspiracy theorist? Don't be extreme bro. You are either keep getting me wrong or keep displacing words;)

Isn't 'less food, less growth' a false proposition or not? Who said this? Me?
 
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What, wait companies are not out out get me? LOL I just watched an ad advertising $2 (coin) on sale for $19.99, regular price is $49.99 + shipping and handling.
Z1 try a real quote.
 
My bad, Bluey. Companies are out to get you. Just you.
That email you just got. I strongly suggest you open it and click the link. Have your personal information ready.
 
And further comments about 'in general'. Also the comment about how I give more of the same nutrients in the same medium. This thread started with a specific fertilizer in a specific medium.
It is illogical to take an aspirin to avoid a headache that probably won't happen if you know your triggers.
"Manufacturers want you to run out of their products as soon as possible so what they recommend you is in luxury range." That was your comment. How about that plus, "... but not at the cost of killing your plants." If I give one of my plants half the nutrients I give another, I will have different sized plants.
Spanky, buddy. Still with us?
 
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If I give one of my plants half the nutrients I give another, I will have different sized plants.
Spanky, buddy. Still with us?
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You know what luxury range means? It means if you feed your plant double than sufficient amount, then, although your plant remains healthy but, if you don't get less yield you won't get more. It also means if you cut your feeding in half when it is double than sufficient amount then if you don't get more yield you won't get less.

I think we talked about it too much.
 
Looks like the beginning's of a K deficiency to me and the timing is about right to use a PK booster. When in doubt I check the Sap PH level and the Brix. In hydro they are easy to adjust with quick results, I am not sure about soil grows
https://growmag.com/grow-files/brix-for-beginners/
 

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Telling me I move and displace words is calling me a liar.
Telling me I'm making false propositions is calling me a liar.
I'll be done talking about it as soon as I am done talking about it. Go about your own way, if you need to. Blocking and ignoring me is only a few clicks away.
 
Sooo... if I want the best I can get using their product, I should start with a dose based on their research. Then go out and buy more of their product because I fell for their false propositions.
I fell for it. I goddamn fell for it like a something-something. I'll have to find another product that lets me guess what I need.
 
Alright kids! Settle down back there.....

ZiroOne - I understand that you have a particular way of doing things in your grow along with your personal opinions on other subjects as well. Arguing about who said what is an exercise in futility. We're here to get better at growing weed remember? If you believe that what you are doing is the only way to do it then there is no reason for you to continue as a member on this or any other weed forum. Weed forums are to exchange ideas to improve our skill set. If you feel your way is the pinnacle of that skill set then great. I'm happy you've arrived at the end of the learning curve that we're all trying to get to.

If you're here to help others understand that they may not be as receptive to your methods regardless of the success you've been able to achieve. If someone rejects your idea then that is on them. You offered it up. They decided not to take your hard earned advice. Next...........

I have this same issue when I try and get people to learn about Daily Light Integral. I believe it to be the best way to quantify the amount of photons you are providing your plant. Others can't be bothered with it yet they will post pictures of the problems they are having that are light related.
 
Don't say so blindly. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. Companies think about their own profits. So what they suggest you is not the sufficient amount. You can artistically consume their products and charge them again or you can wisely find the sufficient amount which probably is much less than they have suggested to you.

In addition to that, companies are not researchers. They just and perhaps test their products but testing doesn't mean researching.

companies have many false and incorrect claims. Do you remember such those claims about purple light for example? Green is useless! 200w LED is equivalent to 600w HPS! Which is still incorrect after ten years.
Nutrient companies just want you to buy their products. PK boosters and root stimulators are such those incorrect claims. They are unnecessary must of the time.
 
A liar is someone who knows the truth but says the opposite. I've never called you a liar. I have no reason to block or ignore you. My bad if you have any.
 
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