I must say that I am glad I tried an all natural auto grow, without topping. I can clearly see the structure of the plant and have a much better understanding of what is said here and on tutorials about training and manifolds. All my other photo grows I just topped and LST'd and had colas and secondary colas everywhere so some of the info on training just didn't make sense. I am a hands on kind of person and Nebula was right, some times you just need to jump in to learn!