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Disappointment and Resolve

Rik

Rik

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Hey guys. I just finished my first grow and boy am I disappointed. Maybe I had unrealistic expectations, but when all is said and done I think I’ll end up with 2.5 or 3 ounces of bud and a small/medium chunk of bubble hash, and this is off of 2 plants that I’ve trained thoroughly with scrogging under a high quality LED light pulling 615 watts from the wall, and the buds I did get were small and, worst of all, light, airy, and larfy. I don’t know what I did wrong... I nurtured them obsessively, I cared for them daily and researched non-stop, always learning. I used what I believe are only top quality ingredients and equipment. I meticulously pH corrected my water and nutrients. I took care to not over or under water. I maintained what I believed to be ideal temperature and humidity. I was lucky enough to not have any bug infestations or major bad events. I’m going to put the full details of my grow at the bottom of this post... maybe someone has some suggestions or ideas as to what might have happened.

But, I am also resolved to do much better in my next grow. Unlike the first, I’m going to only train using LST, and this one will be two autos, specifically OG Kush auto from Nirvana seeds, grown in FFOF/Nature’s Living Soil. Maybe I trained my first plants too hard and stressed them. They did start to grow some nanners towards the end.

Thanks to all of you who have helped me over the past several months. Despite my really disappointing results, I have still learned a lot from you all and truly enjoyed talking with you. This is a life-long hobby for me, so I will try to turn this disappointment into a learning experience.

First (disappointing) grow full details:

2 x Girl Scout Cookies photoperiod from Nirvana Seeds

Medium: Fox Farm Ocean Forest soil/perlite grown in 5 gallon fabric pots

Nutrients: Fox Farm full dirty dozen regimen

Light: Black Dog LED PhytoMAX-2 600 (615 watts from the wall)

Environment: 4’x4’ Gorilla Grow Tent, typical day time at canopy level: upper 70s and 40-45% RH, night time: upper 60s and same humidity

Time frame: Vegged early November to early January, Flowered until early March
 
Considering my first grow 16yrs ago was a open grow in a spare bedroom to which the light coming in under the door never occurred to me that all of my hard work would produce hermies that were full of seeds, I’d say pat yourself on the back because you hopefully have enough smoke to get you through until next harvest. trust the process, it’ll get better. Plus you have GWE and the internet to help 😉

Im wondering if you had your light to high above canopy or if your ScrOG was really a trellis for the tops to go through. Would have to see pics
 
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I had a similar experience with my first grow. I figured there were three things that could have caused it:

1) Burple light
2) Didn’t remove larfy bud under scrog netting
3) genetics

I swapped my light out to a Mars Hydro SP3000 and my second grow is looking much better(different strain). Black dog lights have a good reputation, so that leaves #2 or #3 as possible causes.

There is definitely a fairly steep learning curve to this hobby. I already am thinking about what I will do differently my next grow.
 
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I have little experience with autos but the key to get hard dense buds it’s genetics. I can tell you how og Kush grows. It’s lanky between nodes and very stretchy but the buds are solid and dense. Now to make that strain autoflower i guess it had to be a sacrifice in shape and structure in order to get the auto genes. Meaning what they usually do with autos is to try to get the same terpene profile and potency but almost never focus on shape and structure. All autos tend to look like big bushy colas with no space between buds and elongated spear like buds. Just keep in mind autos may not be the solution to airy buds.
 
This may help you with your second grow:

Grams of dried product/square foot of canopy:


The industry benchmark, this formula allows you to get the most basic measure of your yield. Your square footage is simply the length of your canopy coverage multiplied by its width. Divide your total dried product weight by the square footage, and you will get your yield per square foot.
Formula: Total dried product weight ÷ Square footage of canopy = Yield per square foot


The bigger the number, the better the yield. It’s not the most accurate measure, as it doesn’t account for cycles per year – someone could have a tremendous yield/sq. ft., but if they are only turning two cycles/year, they are likely not producing as much as someone with a lower yield/sq. ft. who turns six cycles/year. Still, it is the most commonly used measure to compare crop yields. (72% of research participants indicated that they measure yield per square foot.)



I don't go with the breeder's yield. There are too many factors to consider.

When they say yield of 400 - 500 g/m² in SOG on average, well I take it with a grain of salt. Like how many plants per square meter, the medium, the environment, the strain etc..
 
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He was growing photos now wants to try at autos. I grew all photo plants when i began indoor growing 4yrs ago. They to me are much more practical for new indoor growers to learn on. But this is my opinion. Folks have seen all these great grows on here then get disappointed when there very first grow or two is low quality.

You have all the makings for great grows with your equipment. Most the time i see folks who over do there nutes don't understand what rates and watering to give them. I would not give up on using photos as a learning strain. Really i think you pulled those to early and over thought what you were doing. Nothing is perfect or easy when learning a new skill. Patience and being comfortable and confident within your grow space not anyone else. Good luck if you give the autos a go, lots of folks here willing to help. :)
 
Not knowing your expectations of the grow I'd throw this evaluation you way...Assuming you ONLY get 2 ounces of good meds and some lesser stuff for the trim bin...Also assuming an ounce of weed "retails" for more that $200 USD...then you just made $400...how much do you have invested in $ so far? I'd guess if you didn't break even yet you will soon. And every harvest after this is free weed!
 
Great point! I grow autos, but I don’t expect much out of them. If I’m surprised yay. Generally I’m mad I wasted the space and watts on them lol
 
You nailed the description of OG Kush 9fingers - I have grown the auto version and they usually shoot up to 4 feet tall with lots of spacing between nodes.
 
Wow, tons of great responses here. Thanks for providing some much needed perspective. I think I was overconfident, and seeing tons of seasoned pros with out-of-this-world grows made it feel like that’s everyone’s experience every time.

I wasn’t sure about trying an auto for my second grow, but I already have the seeds in hand so I’ll continue with that plan. Looking forward to lots more fun, experimentation, and learning with you guys!
 
Thanks for providing some great perspective! Good questions. I am aware that many times a scrog grow is not really a scrog but just branches going through a trellis. I think I scrogged correctly but might have stressed them a little. But more than that, I was really scared of light burn and I think I erred too much on the side of the light being too high. I think I should have put the light lower.
 
Very interesting, good to know that description of the OG Kush. Luckily I’ve got a good amount of vertical space available.
 
Thanks for that! I guess I wasn’t quite as much disappointed by the total weight as I was with the larfy and light quality of the buds. With the amount that I smoke, I think I would be more than fine with moderate auto-sized yields, I just want to learn how to produce good quality buds, even if there’s not pounds and pounds of them.
 
Yes, I think you’re right about seeing pro outcomes in this site and expecting that would just automatically happen for me too. I also think I might have fed too much nutes, I just used the Fox Farm schedule at full strength. That will be taken care of with my next grow since it’ll just be ocean forest and nature’s living soil. I don’t plan on growing only autos from here on out, I just wanted to try it out for this next grow. I already have the seeds so I’ll stick with that plan, but depending on how it goes I might go back to photoperiods afterwards.
 
Actually, from a purely financial perspective, I am still way way in the red. Between the light and everything else, I am still way in the hole, but that’s okay because I don’t expect to break even any time soon. I started this hobby because I just think it’s the coolest thing in the world to grow your own super dank bud! But yeah, I know that eventually, maybe years from now, I’ll pass the break even point and it’ll all have made economic sense as well as been a lot of fun
 
SoOrbudgal, do you think I harvested too early based on my previous posts asking if I should harvest, or based on the rough timeline I provided in this post? Just trying to learn for the future. Thanks!
 
Yo dude, it sounds like you got the major basics covered absolutely fine - if it's any extra help, the only 2 additional things i would question is firstly that you didn't mention about your actual air intake or extraction?? The only thing that i thought from your description was, do they need more fresh air; as although you say temp & humidity been fine, air flow is a separate issue. Have you got an exhaust fan and/or how else do you ventilate tent? When everything else is in place like you say, the only other reason i can think of for slowed growth is air supply.

Otherwise, the only 2nd thing i was gonna suggest is, although it's probably a less likely cause, is have you checked when lights off that there are no light leaks whatsoever in the tent, no external lights shining on it and none of your equipment in tent is shining any Power On LEDs?? Reason i say this is although the more general, talked about symptoms of light leaks will be visible problems like hermie or obvious stress, with good, strong genetics like Nirvana (plus though I've never done it, I'd guess GSC to not be a delicate strain), a plant could be seriously light leaked and be strong enough it only causes interruption to/slows growth causing smaller buds, rather than going visibly hermie/stress mad like weaker genetics or more delicate strains would. Again, it could be rubbish suggestion, but I'd say possibly worth a double check for next time dude.
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First grow is the steepest part of the learning curve. When you started, you had no idea what to actually *look* for in plant health. No idea how to check for leaf color variances etc...we all learned the same way.

Your second grow will now be the one that starts to make you believe your expectations are reachable, and maybe even surpass them 👍 Patience and diligence is how you succeed.
 
Thanks for the encouragement bud! Definitely looking forward to recognizing all these sorts of advanced signs.
 
That’s a great point! I never mentioned the ventilation system. It’s actually a little complicated. I have a carbon filter from TerraBloom and a 710 CFM fan made by the same company in my tent, as is standard. After the 8” ductwork leaves my tent, it travels around 15 to 20 feet before it reaches a second carbon filter, this one an “inline” filter made by Phresh:

Phresh GL56701180 701180 Inline Carbon Filter, 8 in | 750 CFM, Silver science-lab-ph-meters, natural https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CJIMVW...abc_HWDGQW3AXDG2TK0MQQ2G?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Then the ductwork goes through the wall, into the adjacent room another 20 feet or so, before being exhausted into the room. I can’t exhaust the air outside because, living in the Midwest, the temperatures outside are fairly extreme and I would lose my shirt trying to heat or cool my house if I constantly pumped furnace or A/C air outside. Going through 2 carbon filters, the exhausted air is totally odorless. Now that is quite a lot of ductwork for sure, but it is also a powerful fan at 710 CFM through 8” duct. So I feel like it more or less evens out. The net result is that the little mesh windows at the bottom of my tent suck in ever so slightly and you can see a little bit of inward sucking on the walls, but just a little.

That being said, I think my scrog canopy did kind of inhibit the airflow across the top, between the canopy and the light. I had two 6” clip on fans in there most of the grow, but toward the end I ditched one and replaced it with a small Vornado air circulator, which was definitely better.

In summary, I think I had a fine amount of fresh air, but maybe not great air movement around the individual colas. I plan on improving this for the next grow by having a different shape to my girls, and having the Vornado right from the beginning.

Finally, I’m not convinced that my tent was completely light right, because sometimes the lights were on in the adjacent room, with an off to the side door open, during lights out. That’s another reason I want to try autos for my second grow, I’m hoping they will be less sensitive to light schedule issues.

If you’ve read this far, I am thankful and impressed. Sorry, I’m a bit long winded! Thanks very much for your suggestions!
 
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