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Defoiliate during flowering

Chowder

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First time grower, DWC setup, wondering about how much and when to remove fan leaves during flowering? My plants are a little overcrowded, however height is not the issue. I've already cleaned up everything underneath and have removed some fan leaves up top, spareinly. Did this over several days not all at once. Thanks.
 
Some experienced growers here defoliate severely but I would go easy on your first grow. I was a little too rough on last grow and will be more conservative this grow. Cut fan leaves blocking bud sites or tuck leaves out of the way.
 
Until you really get skilled at defoliating and get it down, I'd only practice trying it on one plant at a time and I'd read up a lot on it and dig through all the different points and opinions regarding it. Basically as it was put to me, it is a skill and an art, some people get it and can do amazing things with it, others can't and it doesn't work for them. Over time you learn when to fold a leaf out of the way or when to remove it completely, and I took the lessons I learned from growing and training my Bonsai to help me better train other plants as well. Time and experience really go a long way, just make sure you really concentrate on keeping your blade(s) clean and sterile so you don't open your plant up for other issues to take ahold.
 
Correct me if im wrong, from what i've read on previous threads on a similar matters is that one should make the plant get used to defoliation early in veg and by reading the plant, more and more severe defoliation it can take place. I do look up to Green75 and LuckyAcres defoliation styles, but haven't worked up to that point yet. Just removing one or two fanleafs each watering. Start slow and see how it goes
 
When I started to learn to do pruning as defoliation was known back in those days, I started on a Bonsai tree I bought on the spur of the moment at some street corner vendor, and from there I had to buy a book to teach me all all things from training devices to force the plant to be shaped over time as it grew, I had to learn to do pruning and once or even twice a year root pruning also had to take place. It took me a couple of little costly trees to learn some very important lessons like sterilizing the cutters between cuts, having a clean working area, etc... From there I got the "basics" I guess you could say down. So from that point I begin to try pruning other things like fruit trees and then other plants, thankfully I only had one very expensive little tree to start with so I wasn't in a rush to start getting pruning.

On that note I have had success with pruning from an early age on up... to an older plant, but it should also be noted I've learned over the years what to do and not to do, for example when pruning a younger plant. You can really better control how the leaves are going to grow and where, you get to be in 100% control , and it is important to remember every leaf a plant makes is its power source, every leaf you cut off that plant made you just wasted energy and threw it away, so yes controlling the leaves from an early age is best as the plant is vigorous in its lifecycle and is at a stage of wanting to really make a lot of leaves and grow and grow, so cutting here and there to shape it and control it doesn't really do much for any harm being done, as you stay on top of it

Once a plant is older those BIG leaves everyone thinks needs to be cut off are established powerhouses for that plant, cutting them off is like saying you have two legs, so we will just cut one off and you'll still have one so you'll be okay. It doesn't work that way, bending a big leaf out of the way is much better than cutting off such a powerhouse. Its when you start getting in there and cutting off the big leaves that the plant is now shocked, has to stop and concentrate on making those smaller leaves bigger to make up for the lost energy production of one big leaf, thus hurting the growth rate of the plant or the bud. I am a firm believer there is two kinds of stress for a plant, a healthy stress like wind and air flow blowing it around a bit, and bad stress like a pest attack. A part of the secret to pruning in my opinion is learning to control the stress of removing leaves to help the plant by creating healthy stress. If a set of leaves are not getting light way at the bottom, you have to know if it is better to remove leaves from the top and let more light into the bottom or if you should cut those bottom leaves to allow for more bud production at the top.

As any experienced grower knows you want the bud on top, closer to the light as anything below will only be popcorn, by controlling defoliation early on you could grow a top canopy and concentrate all the bud growth to the very tops, with multiple tops all equal heights and push all that energy from the would be popcorn buds all up to making huge top cola's on every branch you allowed to grow at equal height, thus increasing yield and potency as I've heard it also claimed. Hence why one person can claim pruning hurt their yields and the plants, even perhaps killing the plant in some cases, while the next person will claim it increased yields... all because of how you defoliate a plant, what stage the plant is at, how you go about it and even the strain and the plant's lifecycle all matters. If a plant never experiences wind and suddenly it does, the plant will fold under the stress of the wind, but if the plant always was exposed to wind the wind would be a positive stress to create a stronger plant.
 
Thanks, I am happy to hear others appreciate the ways I try to explain things, I started gardening many years ago and learned a lot along the way so I try to take what I know and use it to educate others with the hopes of putting more people's hands in touch with the food and medicine they grow to enjoy in turn. I was just reading today that chronic pain can be greatly reduced by gardening, and I thought how true that is.
 
Yeah I prefer THC over morphine. As for the nerve part nothing hits the spots like the good old marry jane
 
My timeline is:
Lollipop as you place into flower tent.
Defoliate weeks #1 & #3 of 12/12.
After that, new leaves stop/slow and I only trim large fan leaves that block bud sites.
If you can look down from the top of the plant and see the medium, there is little need to trim.
 
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I'm in week five of flower and held off as long as I could by tucking fan leaves but gave them a very healthy trim today. They still may need a little more but I'll wait a bit now and just remove leaves here and there.
What happened to me was definitely a "rookie" mistake, too many plants in a smaller space. I germinated twice as many seeds as I thought I would grow, alomost all sprouted and I couldn't let them go. I added a couple more DWC buckets to my set up, and even put a few in dirt from local store, and just gave them water from my DWC reservoir like I would water a regular plant !
I have enough space and height in my grow room, but my DWC can't be moved now, it comes down to lighting. I've got two air cooled 600w, HPS. Cheapies from Amazon, but working great, along with two LED lights 1000w and 1200w equivalent, but actual draw of two combined is 600w. Once again, working great, no name from Amazon again. I also put three t5s, 4 bulbs per t5, around the sides for extra light.
I also have a 4 strains, blueberry, OG Kush, Amnesia, Critical Widow, which are a mix of sativa and indica dominate plants. Oh well, live and learn! I guess all I can really do now is hang on for the ride.
 

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By the way green thumb, I really understand where your coming from about gardening. I also love to garden during the summer. We pretty much grow all our veggies, now I want to grow our own medicine. I'm planning my outdoor grow now! Thanks for explaining!
 
I dunno man, alot of people have opinions. I'm still new to this myself, so only advice I can give so far is what I been doing so far; I chop off anything that looks like it could block lights from reaching buds. When flowering, it's even easier to make decisions.
 
Wow, Chowder, they all look fantastic!!! I know how you feel: I can't get rid of anything that germinates, no matter how far behind the others it is!! So buckle your seat belt and HANG ON!!!!
 
Thanks "alltat" for the positive feedback. As I said, first grow and any feedback, positive or constructive is always welcomed.
Also, I can't believe the different smells already, they are exactly as described by the provider. Blueberry smells like it sounds, amniesa is fruity citrus and critical widow has desiel smell. OG KUSH, not sure yet.
 
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