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Hi nebula, I'm pretty sure that it's in total darkness, it's next to my other plant and that is ok, there are so many variables coz they are from bagseed, I mean I understood when green75 said they are different photo period, it just seems so slow compared to cpt.frosty right next to it, under the same light, it is a lot lighter green as well, plus I topped it and fimmed the other out of interest, I took some pics of plant in question's tallest bud for you and one of the frosty plant next to it that showed 1.5 weeks before, thanks for advice:smile: