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Cases of Vaping-Related Lung Illness Surge

alltatup

alltatup

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Hi all: I'd like to point out immediately that this is related to e-cigarettes and not to cannabis. And this comes as no surprise to me, because the warnings have been out for a long time now about the dangers of vaping the liquids they use in e-cigs.

"C.D.C. officials said they believe that some “chemical” is involved as the cause but they have not identified a single responsible “device, product or substance,” Dr. Meaney-Delman said."

As always in the good ole usa, profits preempt people...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/06/h...d-disease.html
 
What I am seeing in the propaganda is the problems have been found with both ecig and THC. They have said do not use street cartridges as they may be contaminated, used something harmful. But what if it has nothing to do with the liquid being vaped?..What if it is a gas expelled from the heating element? What is the heating element made of? IDK,,, do you?
Whatever the cause, I am no longer looking for a vape device, not until this is solved!
 
Rwise The problem is not with THC, which has been inhaled for thousands of years. The problem, I would assume, is with the liquids used. PG is some nasty-ass shit, if you ask my opinion, but all the commercial cartridge makers use it. It may very well be safe for consumption, but not for inhalation, and this info has been out there for a while, if people just look.

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/acm.2016.0337
https://www.projectcbd.org/update-toxic-marijuana-vape-oil-additives-endanger-patients

https://www.projectcbd.org/industry/how-safe-your-vape-pen
 
I have yet to try vaping cartridges, mostly due to the products that are mixed with the trichomes.
Specifically, I was aware that "food grade" terpines are added to THC extraction, which is a serious miscalculation, as food grade does not mean it's safe for inhalation.

I have made gylcerin vape juice and not added the PG- as glycerin is inert (second only to water).

That said: it looks like one additive has been identified so far, vitamin E- (WTF) and I suspect more will be found.

I will stick to dry leaf vaping and not join the "cool kids club"!
 
alltatup Straight from the article you linked...
Conclusions: PG and PEG 400 produced high levels of acetaldehyde and formaldehyde when heated to 230°C.
Here is the math....230C = 446F. No vape pen on the commercial market gets that hot. So let’s debunk this as a culprit right away.
 
Also found this from the linked articles as well.
Currently, there is no conclusive evidence that frequent users will develop cancer or another illness if they inhale the contents of vape oil cartridges.
 
PG is commonly used to strengthen dough for baking bread. Oven temperatures for baking lean bread can reach 400F - 425F. We have been using PG in these products well before we were using them to vape (at much lower temperatures). If Vaping PG is dangerous, then all the bread using PG must be as well.
Sorry, just not seeing this to be valid.
Might need to see more conclusive evidence before I change my mind. Just one human’s opinion here.
 
Lastly, another one of the common uses for PG (written as a common usage directly on the bottle)... is to increase moisture in pipe tobacco. Why are pipe tobacco users of PG not experiencing these same symptoms? People have been inhaling PG much longer than vape cartridges have been around. I know we all want to know why this is happening to people, but please don’t suspend the notion of disbelief because the word “chemical” is involved. Water is a chemical. Not all chemicals are created evil.
 
Remember, you don’t have to directly inhale pipe tobacco to get it into the lung cavity and bloodstream. It’s in the air, they are inhaling it. We commonly call that second hand smoke. There is also recent studies that show third hand smoke (the smoke that clings to smokers hands and clothes) gets into the lung cavity and into the bloodstream of others as well.
What about in the case of commercial lean bread baking or candy making? The workers in that industry are constantly exposed to the PG vapors while working near the bread ovens and heat transfer equipment like temper units and melting kettles. OSHA would not allow workers in the US to work in a hazardous air quality zone if they could prove it causes harm to this group. There are laws about proper air quality and proper breathing apparatuses for working around dangerous types of fumes. This is well known and documented. There are developed procedures and personal protective equipment requirements for working in hazardous air quality zones.
And if PG was the culprit of this recent epidemic in vaping illness, why hasn’t the CDC recommended to pull all products containing this substance at this point in time?
I just don’t see it to be true. I am still waiting for more conclusive evidence before I demonize this product I have been working around for many many years.
 
Toker1 I hear you! I've read articles that come down on PG, but I probably need to read more. And I will, so that I don't go spreading rumors or opinions rather than facts. ;-} Thanks for the info!
 
I still believe with all the recent illness, we should all avoid vaping PG, VG, PEG, or anything similar for that matter until more research is conducted. I will stick to my dry herb vape for now.
This could still be an issue of long term use in high concentrations. We just need more accurate interpretations of the data at this point in time.
I am glad you brought this topic up on here!!
 
yesterday , i think on reddit led me to a couple articles about this and authority is saying vitamin E is the culprit . PG good or bad i dont know but figure all the empty cartridges come from china on the homemade ones .
 
Doesn’t take a rocket science to understand, Smoking is BAD for you. That’s it, that’s the end of it, there’s no more to say. SMOKING ANYTHING is bad for you. Let me say it again, smoking is bad for you. Get it? Understand?
I’ll repeat smoking is bad for you! Don’t be a hypocrite.
 
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my first thought is the solvent such as alcohol and that the process of boiling it off isn't being done well and people are vaping a incomplete product that someone made a lot of somewhere .
 
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