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Can't make up my mind...seeds or clones ?!?
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Royal Nugs
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The great thing about clones is you know what you're going to get usually. Small variations due to environmental differences may exist.
Seeds have vigor. The extra gear that clones don't have. They also have a very nice uniform structure for quite some time which makes training a lot easier.
However, phenotypes can vary greatly in an unstable line. You may pop 10 seeds and some grow long and lanky, while others are short and squat. In more stable lines the variations are more subtle with more consistency across the board. There's no way to tell if the breeder has stabilized the line properly, so you're going on reputation at that point.
If you plan on manifolding, I'd highly recommend popping a seed, not saying you can't manifold a clone, but a seedling would be a lot easier IMO. If your space is limited, go feminized.
Good luck!
Seeds have vigor. The extra gear that clones don't have. They also have a very nice uniform structure for quite some time which makes training a lot easier.
However, phenotypes can vary greatly in an unstable line. You may pop 10 seeds and some grow long and lanky, while others are short and squat. In more stable lines the variations are more subtle with more consistency across the board. There's no way to tell if the breeder has stabilized the line properly, so you're going on reputation at that point.
If you plan on manifolding, I'd highly recommend popping a seed, not saying you can't manifold a clone, but a seedling would be a lot easier IMO. If your space is limited, go feminized.
Good luck!
Royal Nugs
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Since regular seeds are about a 50/50 male/female, you need to grow twice as many plants to fill your room, since you will be culling the males. unless you go with mother/clones but you still need a separate flower room.
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NebulaHaze
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I strongly prefer seeds. Feminized seeds give you 100% female plants, and you get to grow the best strains from all over the world 
Although I've actually had great results with clones, the major thing that keeps me away from them is the possibility of introducing bugs into my grow room. I know it's probably because we run the website and people only write in when they have problems, but it seems like 95% of the time people get bugs it's from clones they got from someone else. But when you're getting clones from a trustworthy source, it's pretty nice knowing the exact phenotype you're going to get ahead of time!
Although I've actually had great results with clones, the major thing that keeps me away from them is the possibility of introducing bugs into my grow room. I know it's probably because we run the website and people only write in when they have problems, but it seems like 95% of the time people get bugs it's from clones they got from someone else. But when you're getting clones from a trustworthy source, it's pretty nice knowing the exact phenotype you're going to get ahead of time!
Mañ'O'Green
New member
Hey Nebula:
You don't have to fear clones just quarantine them. Do not let that new clone anywhere near your garden. Even if it is from a trustworthy source. Mix up a bucket of insecticidal soap and dunk the clone in it roots and all. I am talking totally under the solution.Turn it upside down to make sure that there are no air pockets for them little bugers to hide in. Then let the plant sit in still air for 15-30 minutes or so; you do not want the solution to dry on the plant. Now dunk them in clean PH 6.5 adjusted water a couple of times to rinse the plant off well. Feed as normal. After the first treatment migration is not likely. You need to do this 2 more times over 5 days if your quarantine area is at normal room temperature longer if it is cooler as it takes 3-5 days for spider mite eggs to hatch into nymphs in a warm environment. Insecticidal soap does not kill eggs but it does smother all other mite life forms. It is important to change your clothes and shower after visiting your quarantine before you enter your garden.
If you are dealing with a clone known to have spider mites but it is a plant you just have to have. Travel that plant in a closed plastic bag, adult mites can travel airborn on small strands of their web. Do the first procedure outside ASAP. while you are waiting the 15-30 minutes after dunking the plant - change clothes shoes and all, close them in a large trash bag with a Hot Shot Pest Strip include the bag you traveled the plant in. Take a shower. Finish the rinse and move the plant to your quarantine area. Dunk your plant every other day for the next 6 days. Leave your clothes in the bag with the pest strip 48 hours. After your plant is moved into the garden hang the pest strip in your quarantine area for a few days. Be sure to follow the directions on the strip as that shit is really poisonous. You know how much I hate pesticides but I make an exception for dealing with these critters.
I have read where people treat their infested plants with pest strips - no way would I ever consume a plant exposed to that poison and you should not either.
You don't have to fear clones just quarantine them. Do not let that new clone anywhere near your garden. Even if it is from a trustworthy source. Mix up a bucket of insecticidal soap and dunk the clone in it roots and all. I am talking totally under the solution.Turn it upside down to make sure that there are no air pockets for them little bugers to hide in. Then let the plant sit in still air for 15-30 minutes or so; you do not want the solution to dry on the plant. Now dunk them in clean PH 6.5 adjusted water a couple of times to rinse the plant off well. Feed as normal. After the first treatment migration is not likely. You need to do this 2 more times over 5 days if your quarantine area is at normal room temperature longer if it is cooler as it takes 3-5 days for spider mite eggs to hatch into nymphs in a warm environment. Insecticidal soap does not kill eggs but it does smother all other mite life forms. It is important to change your clothes and shower after visiting your quarantine before you enter your garden.
If you are dealing with a clone known to have spider mites but it is a plant you just have to have. Travel that plant in a closed plastic bag, adult mites can travel airborn on small strands of their web. Do the first procedure outside ASAP. while you are waiting the 15-30 minutes after dunking the plant - change clothes shoes and all, close them in a large trash bag with a Hot Shot Pest Strip include the bag you traveled the plant in. Take a shower. Finish the rinse and move the plant to your quarantine area. Dunk your plant every other day for the next 6 days. Leave your clothes in the bag with the pest strip 48 hours. After your plant is moved into the garden hang the pest strip in your quarantine area for a few days. Be sure to follow the directions on the strip as that shit is really poisonous. You know how much I hate pesticides but I make an exception for dealing with these critters.
I have read where people treat their infested plants with pest strips - no way would I ever consume a plant exposed to that poison and you should not either.
Mañ'O'Green
New member
Hi Tika:
You know that is like asking how long is a rope................
Here is a website that can keep you mesmerized for hours. It has an amazing database of thousands of seeds as well as clones. It takes a while to learn how to use it. I go there almost every day.
Don't blame me if you don't get any sleep tonight - LOL
You know that is like asking how long is a rope................
Here is a website that can keep you mesmerized for hours. It has an amazing database of thousands of seeds as well as clones. It takes a while to learn how to use it. I go there almost every day.
Don't blame me if you don't get any sleep tonight - LOL
We grow with both seed and clones. We always will clone our new plants grown from seed, just in case we enjoy that strain. We clone our clones with no problems, and have done so for years and keep the strain going. You know exactly what you are getting and how it grows with clones. We don't worry too much about what we read on the cons of cloning clones, but we do care about how she grows and how she vapes up, and that is what matters to us. But it is always great to have new seeds arrive in the mailbox from a reputable breeder. For the sites for reviews, we look to Attitude Seed bank, Leafly, and SeedFinder.
For Nebula's Manifolding - Seed all the way for me. Excellento!!!
For Nebula's Manifolding - Seed all the way for me. Excellento!!!
Herbs n Stuff
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I started 3 plants from seeds and took cuttings to make my own clones. I plan to keep making clones from clones as long as possible, or try to keep a mother plant around to clone from. I got lucky - my seeds were regular and all turned out to be female.
Smokey McPot
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The cons of growing from cuttings is that they often will not produce symmetric nodes. Mainlining/manifolding aims to have all the branches evenly spaced.
Weed Pharma
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Rope only comes in 2 lengths- "too long" or "too short" (but that's another website ,lol)