GreenArmadillo
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Damn, my bad. Really glad you told me this!
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Can You Help Me Figure Out What My EC Pen is Trying to Tell Me
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GreenArmadillo
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That's excellent advice man. I'll take it to heart. I appreciate you taking the time.
I've got some auto seeds just waiting to be planted. Unfortunately I don't have any space to plant them now, so waiting on my current grow to end, so as to use the same grow room.
Hmmm, it's interesting that you mention the light levels being a major cause of the problem. No1 has brought that up until now.
I thought 700 watts was good, but obviously as you say, these particular gals are craving some more light.
The way I see it, I have very few options:
1) Keep everything the way it is, but just take the nute feedings a lot more relaxed, and monitor the ppms
2) Order an LED grow light (the con here is that it will take 1 month minimally to arrive here by mail)
3) Buy a proper HPS grow light (the con here is that it will drive up my room temperatures quite a bit. I'm currently averaging 23.5 C during the day. And I live in a hot country where the weather is rapidly going summer-heat-mode. My car was 28 C today when I got in after work, being parked in the sun)
4) Buy an additional T5 light fixture, adding 150 watts to the grow room.
Honestly I wasn't prepared to spend any more money on this grow, as I have spent so much already, but at this point if it really is required then I will definitely do it.
I've got some auto seeds just waiting to be planted. Unfortunately I don't have any space to plant them now, so waiting on my current grow to end, so as to use the same grow room.
Hmmm, it's interesting that you mention the light levels being a major cause of the problem. No1 has brought that up until now.
I thought 700 watts was good, but obviously as you say, these particular gals are craving some more light.
The way I see it, I have very few options:
1) Keep everything the way it is, but just take the nute feedings a lot more relaxed, and monitor the ppms
2) Order an LED grow light (the con here is that it will take 1 month minimally to arrive here by mail)
3) Buy a proper HPS grow light (the con here is that it will drive up my room temperatures quite a bit. I'm currently averaging 23.5 C during the day. And I live in a hot country where the weather is rapidly going summer-heat-mode. My car was 28 C today when I got in after work, being parked in the sun)
4) Buy an additional T5 light fixture, adding 150 watts to the grow room.
Honestly I wasn't prepared to spend any more money on this grow, as I have spent so much already, but at this point if it really is required then I will definitely do it.
9fingerleafs
Well-known member
I'd say option 1 makes more sense. More observation. Sometimes we change thing so fast we cannot see how the plant reacts. I wouldn't spend any more money on light
alltatup
New member
GreenArmadillo I think your current experience is so typical of what we go through. We never know when we start out how much it's going to cost to get our grow space to optimal efficiency and environment for our plants. Eventually, we get it set up according to our needs. Now that I've read this thread, I think your girls will prolly bounce back.
GreenArmadillo
New member
Tell you what, after reading the responses to this thread I made up my mind a couple of days ago to buy a proper HPS grow light.
So I drive down to the ONLY shop in this country that sells grow lights. (I know, isn't that CRAZY! Only one shope. :sweating::super-cry: )
The sad part is that they had sold out all their reflectors. So now i'm waiting for a new shipment to arrive. Fingers crossed they'll have it in tomorrow. :wink:
They sell 250 watts, 400 watts, 600 watts and 1000 watts. I'm thinking of buying the 600 watt ballast with reflector and bulb.
They sell the 600 watt ballast in two forms: normal and dimmable. I really want the dimmable, but the price increase is insane!
The normal ballast with reflector and bulb will cost me $300. The dimmable ballast would add $120 to the bill.
I can't wait to get a professional grow light. I feel bad for my girls not having the light they need, and they definitely deserve it.
I wish they sold LEC here, but it's a shame they don't. HPS is the next best thing (unless the grow shop guy shocks me and ends up having ordered LEDs too :shock
Pray for me and my babies, dear friends. :bashful:
So I drive down to the ONLY shop in this country that sells grow lights. (I know, isn't that CRAZY! Only one shope. :sweating::super-cry: )
The sad part is that they had sold out all their reflectors. So now i'm waiting for a new shipment to arrive. Fingers crossed they'll have it in tomorrow. :wink:
They sell 250 watts, 400 watts, 600 watts and 1000 watts. I'm thinking of buying the 600 watt ballast with reflector and bulb.
They sell the 600 watt ballast in two forms: normal and dimmable. I really want the dimmable, but the price increase is insane!
The normal ballast with reflector and bulb will cost me $300. The dimmable ballast would add $120 to the bill.
I can't wait to get a professional grow light. I feel bad for my girls not having the light they need, and they definitely deserve it.
I wish they sold LEC here, but it's a shame they don't. HPS is the next best thing (unless the grow shop guy shocks me and ends up having ordered LEDs too :shock
Pray for me and my babies, dear friends. :bashful:
GreenArmadillo
New member
In the meantime, here's my latest readings:
(4/4/17) Water Only pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.3 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=150 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=70 [TABLE="border: 3, cellpadding: 1"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]?[/TD]
[TD]?[/TD]
[TD]?[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]6.33[/TD]
[TD]7247[/TD]
[TD]3350[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]7.24[/TD]
[TD]1638[/TD]
[TD]750[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.07[/TD]
[TD]5782[/TD]
[TD]2694[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
(9/4/17) Water+CalMag+Molasses pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.5 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=600 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=277 [TABLE="border: 3, cellpadding: 1"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]6.07[/TD]
[TD]4155[/TD]
[TD]1937[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]6.24[/TD]
[TD]3120[/TD]
[TD]1562[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]6.20[/TD]
[TD]1763[/TD]
[TD]814[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.35[/TD]
[TD]4196[/TD]
[TD]1887[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Tomorrows a water+molasses day. Should I water with zero run-off? Or minimal run-off? Or 20% run-off?
The ppm numbers seem to be steadily dropping since I stopped adding nutes. Things are going in the right direction, am I right?
I really hope so. Daphne has been dropping a lot of her leaves, all beige, crispy and dry. The rate of leaf loss seems to be getting lower now that i've dropped nutes, but honestly she's at a pretty worrisome stage. Not many leaves left. I'm sorry bae. =/
(4/4/17) Water Only pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.3 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=150 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=70 [TABLE="border: 3, cellpadding: 1"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]?[/TD]
[TD]?[/TD]
[TD]?[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]6.33[/TD]
[TD]7247[/TD]
[TD]3350[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]7.24[/TD]
[TD]1638[/TD]
[TD]750[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.07[/TD]
[TD]5782[/TD]
[TD]2694[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
(9/4/17) Water+CalMag+Molasses pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.5 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=600 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=277 [TABLE="border: 3, cellpadding: 1"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]6.07[/TD]
[TD]4155[/TD]
[TD]1937[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]6.24[/TD]
[TD]3120[/TD]
[TD]1562[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]6.20[/TD]
[TD]1763[/TD]
[TD]814[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.35[/TD]
[TD]4196[/TD]
[TD]1887[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Tomorrows a water+molasses day. Should I water with zero run-off? Or minimal run-off? Or 20% run-off?
The ppm numbers seem to be steadily dropping since I stopped adding nutes. Things are going in the right direction, am I right?
I really hope so. Daphne has been dropping a lot of her leaves, all beige, crispy and dry. The rate of leaf loss seems to be getting lower now that i've dropped nutes, but honestly she's at a pretty worrisome stage. Not many leaves left. I'm sorry bae. =/
9fingerleafs
Well-known member
What I see is when you give daphne straight water the ph rises dramatically. Not the case with hard water. So maybe the ph of the soil itself has gotten out of range? If that's the case then flushing with ph'Ed pure water until the ph doesn't change as much could help.
9fingerleafs
Well-known member
Without pics of the plants I can only assume if they're doing great keep those numbers the same. If hey get burned then flush more often of give less nutes. About the runoff I wouldn't worry about that unless you where flushing. Enough to measure ph and ppm it's enough.
GreenArmadillo
New member
100% my friend!! It's rare for a person to find something to do that they are generally passionate about. This passion makes the money spent well worth it. =)
GreenArmadillo
New member
Woah, you blew my mind with that pH analysis of the straight water. I didn't notice that pattern. hmmmmm, as you say, perhaps the soil is out of range. Should I flush with my bottled mineral water, or car battery water (distilled)?
GreenArmadillo
New member
My latest readings, to be added to the fray:
(12/4/17) Water+Molasses pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.97 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=204 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=89 [TABLE="class: text_table"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]6.65[/TD]
[TD]1984[/TD]
[TD]845[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]6.77[/TD]
[TD]1782[/TD]
[TD]826[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]6.70[/TD]
[TD]1779[/TD]
[TD]820[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.52[/TD]
[TD]3894[/TD]
[TD]1790[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
(15/4/17) Water+CalMag+Molasses pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.25 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=575 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=265 [TABLE="class: text_table"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]6.50[/TD]
[TD]2015[/TD]
[TD]938[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]6.72[/TD]
[TD]1462[/TD]
[TD]675[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]6.71[/TD]
[TD]1877[/TD]
[TD]864[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.61[/TD]
[TD]3116[/TD]
[TD]1440[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
(18/4/17) Water+Molasses pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.27 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=215 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=99 [TABLE="class: text_table"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]6.71[/TD]
[TD]2287[/TD]
[TD]1065[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]7.07[/TD]
[TD]627[/TD]
[TD]289[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]7.26[/TD]
[TD]1251[/TD]
[TD]576[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.77[/TD]
[TD]3471[/TD]
[TD]1588[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
My stand out personal notes from my grow journal from these last 10 days are as follows:
* The girls seem to be picking up after stopping the nute-heavy feeds. The buds are looking pretty sweet, although not nearly as big or juicy as one would hope, but lovely and plentiful nonetheless.
* I removed Daphnes splint from when I unintentionally supercropped her, and MAN has she made up for it! She's made such a solid joint out of the bent stem.
* The grow shop did not receive any reflectors, and said he won't be receiving the shipment for another month most likely.
* I decided to make due, and added a four-way split CFL set-up as supplemental lighting. 155 watts of 2700K CFLs were added to the middle of the grow room.
* My total grow room wattage now stands at 855 watts.
* I started giving my girls a light supplemental watering (750-1500ml) in between their water+molasses day and the water+CalMag+molasses day.
* I started having a close-up look at the trichromes to see where i'm at. Pictures will be posted in a separate thread.
(12/4/17) Water+Molasses pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.97 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=204 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=89 [TABLE="class: text_table"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]6.65[/TD]
[TD]1984[/TD]
[TD]845[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]6.77[/TD]
[TD]1782[/TD]
[TD]826[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]6.70[/TD]
[TD]1779[/TD]
[TD]820[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.52[/TD]
[TD]3894[/TD]
[TD]1790[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
(15/4/17) Water+CalMag+Molasses pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.25 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=575 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=265 [TABLE="class: text_table"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]6.50[/TD]
[TD]2015[/TD]
[TD]938[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]6.72[/TD]
[TD]1462[/TD]
[TD]675[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]6.71[/TD]
[TD]1877[/TD]
[TD]864[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.61[/TD]
[TD]3116[/TD]
[TD]1440[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
(18/4/17) Water+Molasses pH[SUB]in[/SUB]=6.27 EC[SUB]in[/SUB]=215 TDS[SUB]in[/SUB]=99 [TABLE="class: text_table"]
[TR]
[TD] [/TD]
[TD]pH[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]EC[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[TD]TDS[SUB]out[/SUB][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alicia[/TD]
[TD]6.71[/TD]
[TD]2287[/TD]
[TD]1065[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brittania[/TD]
[TD]7.07[/TD]
[TD]627[/TD]
[TD]289[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Daphne [/TD]
[TD]7.26[/TD]
[TD]1251[/TD]
[TD]576[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Esmerelda[/TD]
[TD]6.77[/TD]
[TD]3471[/TD]
[TD]1588[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
My stand out personal notes from my grow journal from these last 10 days are as follows:
* The girls seem to be picking up after stopping the nute-heavy feeds. The buds are looking pretty sweet, although not nearly as big or juicy as one would hope, but lovely and plentiful nonetheless.
* I removed Daphnes splint from when I unintentionally supercropped her, and MAN has she made up for it! She's made such a solid joint out of the bent stem.
* The grow shop did not receive any reflectors, and said he won't be receiving the shipment for another month most likely.
* I decided to make due, and added a four-way split CFL set-up as supplemental lighting. 155 watts of 2700K CFLs were added to the middle of the grow room.
* My total grow room wattage now stands at 855 watts.
* I started giving my girls a light supplemental watering (750-1500ml) in between their water+molasses day and the water+CalMag+molasses day.
* I started having a close-up look at the trichromes to see where i'm at. Pictures will be posted in a separate thread.
GreenArmadillo
New member
Here's some pics, from newest to oldest, as requested. =)
(some of these pics are disturbing, i'm sorry)
18/4/17
12/4/17
9/4/17
4/4/17
1/4/17
(some of these pics are disturbing, i'm sorry)
18/4/17
12/4/17
9/4/17
4/4/17
1/4/17
9fingerleafs
Well-known member
it eases me to think how much weed ive already gotten out of that money and how much more ill be able to grow with my setup as is.... not so expensive after all, not like buying expensive weed
GreenArmadillo
New member
Here's the thread I just posted about reading trichomes:
http://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum...trichomes-really-hard-pre-harvest-help-needed
http://forum.growweedeasy.com/forum...trichomes-really-hard-pre-harvest-help-needed
9fingerleafs
Well-known member
Great upgrade
